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Old 10-24-2018, 09:54 AM   #3809
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A bit disappointed that they didn't at least attempt to replicate the fighter cockpit design from the MKIV and MKIII.

As expected it's a BMW interior.
yup, it may look a bit different than the BMW interiors (All the brand new ones seem to be following a stretched 'hexagon' shaped theme for the center stack)
but its all BMW switchgear so far.
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I hate how all the companies are moving towards that stupid radio / info screen design. I know it is supposed to increase visibility and packaging, but damn....just slap it in the dash!! Mazda, I thought was bad....now the new Altima is the current top offender (IMO) but this might beat them all.
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I hate how all the companies are moving towards that stupid radio / info screen design. I know it is supposed to increase visibility and packaging, but damn....just slap it in the dash!! Mazda, I thought was bad....now the new Altima is the current top offender (IMO) but this might beat them all.
The ultimate "disaster" is the Tesla Model 3 in my opinion. Another reason I wouldn't buy one.

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The ultimate "disaster" is the Tesla Model 3 in my opinion. Another reason I wouldn't buy one.

Fack...... that is awful. The sizing reminds me of
the new dodge rams giant tablet in the middle, I just dont get it.

Was dash visibility really that bad!?!?!
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Was dash visibility really that bad!?!?!
its your entire dash instrumentation too.
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its your entire dash instrumentation too.
It seems like that would be a huge night driving distraction. Idk how they display at night, I'm sure they have that in mind. But there still has to be illumination there.
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It seems like that would be a huge night driving distraction. Idk how they display at night, I'm sure they have that in mind. But there still has to be illumination there.
I've not driven one, but I'm assuming it has a "dark mode" like a moving map does at night.
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The ultimate "disaster" is the Tesla Model 3 in my opinion. Another reason I wouldn't buy one.

All cars are moving away from knobs and physical controls, which can suck because user interfaces can be lame and can be harder to operate than knobs. What is worse is when the screen fails, and then the features can't be adjusted because their are no knobs. This is why they are putting both for now, but the future is what Tesla is doing.

As far as design, it isn't pretty, but a tablet up high is better than down low. Maybe when autonomous cars become more of a standard and the reliability is virtually flawless then the screen will be moved lower and integrated with the dash because taking your eyes off the road won't be an issue. For now, this design seems better to me. It allows for a cheaper vehicle, and it allows for a control unit that is easily replaceable if it fails, which is probably cheaper to replace/reproduce than something that is integrated.
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,,,For now, this design seems better to me. It allows for a cheaper vehicle, and it allows for a control unit that is easily replaceable if it fails, which is probably cheaper to replace/reproduce than something that is integrated.
I think this is only acceptable if the car also has a heads up display. Otherwise instruments need to be within you scan range that doesn't require you to turn your head. That's my primary problem with it.

I would not buy a Model 3 (or an ICE equivalent) for this one reason, everything else being equal.
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I think this is only acceptable if the car also has a heads up display. Otherwise instruments need to be within you scan range that doesn't require you to turn your head. That's my primary problem with it.

I would not buy a Model 3 (or an ICE equivalent) for this one reason, everything else being equal.
I rarely look at my speedometer. I look at my tach more than anything then my oil pressure gauge, boost, oil temp, etc. Even with that said, I rarely need to look at my tach unless I am taking the car to redline. Even with that said, there is a shift light, and even still, the Tesla has no need for a tach. I think the argument for a HUD or a traditional gauge layout is weak.

Tesla is definitely not the first to do this, as you mentioned. Toyota, Honda, GM, etc have all done it. They actually claim it is a better position to have it. The focal point is slightly less extreme. The contrast between a dark dash and the bright exterior is less extreme too. The distance the eye has to travel is usually less. The head doesn't have to move as much. But that is probably all marketing BS . The real advantage is the car is cheaper to build with a symmetrical dash for LHD and RHD.
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I rarely look at my speedometer. I look at my tach more than anything then my oil pressure gauge, boost, oil temp, etc. Even with that said, I rarely need to look at my tach unless I am taking the car to redline. Even with that said, there is a shift light, and even still, the Tesla has no need for a tach. I think the argument for a HUD or a traditional gauge layout is weak.
Sure, if you don't use it. I have a very specific instrument scan pattern I use when driving, and check all instruments on a fairly regular basis. I suppose if I never looked at them that would make sense.

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Tesla is definitely not the first to do this, as you mentioned. Toyota, Honda, GM, etc have all done it. They actually claim it is a better position to have it...
I think it is a better position for the non-critical instruments usually in that panel (radio, HVAC, map, etc) I have no issue. For your primary instruments though its a bad location IMO. That's OK, some cars have had their regular "steam" gauges in that location as well, and I wouldn't have bought them either.
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Supposedly Ford went back to knobs and switches after people complained about an all touch interface. That is, one had to look away from the road to change air con controls. If you can't change basic functions like that without looking away from where you're going there is something wrong with the interface.
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All cars are moving away from knobs and physical controls, which can suck because user interfaces can be lame and can be harder to operate than knobs. What is worse is when the screen fails, and then the features can't be adjusted because their are no knobs. This is why they are putting both for now, but the future is what Tesla is doing.

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All these touch screen displays are a bad idea. I don't know why they are even allowed. Looking/using your smartphone is considered distracted driving in some places while using these kinds of touch screens to change a setting (HVAC, Radio, GPS, etc...) isn't?
You pretty much have to focus on the screen to be able to select properly.

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Supposedly Ford went back to knobs and switches after people complained about an all touch interface. That is, one had to look away from the road to change air con controls. If you can't change basic functions like that without looking away from where you're going there is something wrong with the interface.
that really depends on how responsive the touch interface is.
IT makes me wonder why no cars have an interface that is actually as fast and responsive as a smartphone, they always seem sooo laggy.

Ford's Sync system apparently was bad for awhile.
Cadillac's Cue system is laggy as hell.

I had a Honda Fit with a touchscreen interface which was OK, but the volume slider was a touch slider and it was somewhat laggy and annoying at times.

Im sure if the interfaces responded like a smartphone it wouldn't be so bad.
I still prefer knobs/buttons though for some functions.
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