Sold my 2016 Scion FR-S

[Braces]

The 86 is what it is. Works well when it is revved past 5000. Some people like this. The majority of "average" drivers require torque at low revs. Torque that is available for a longer time with a flatter torque curve. Horsepower means nothing to most drivers. Torque is what you feel in the seat of your pants.

In every day commuting .... the 86 is not the "ideal" vehicle for "most" people. I drove the car to work for 3 years. What I missed most was any kind of low or mid range grunt. What I enjoyed was hitting the apex on the entry ramp to the freeway with full momentum. I still laugh at the people behind me trying to match my entry speed. what I desire is a car that can give me BOTH characteristics.

Again, it is what it is (Yogi Berra). Nothing more. Nothing less.

[Jegan_V]

Originally Posted by Cal3000

A prius will keep up well 0-30. Under real world conditions, lets say you want to jump in front of a prius from a stop light and he decides he doesn't want to let you through and you have a short distance to travel, you aint going nowhere. lol.
A manual with real world conditions without a hard launch, you are hitting 60 mph in 8 second. In auto, you are hitting 60 mph in 8 seconds. A prius will hit 60 in a little over 9 and a half seconds. You are not going to jump in front of a prius in any short distance.

Then you have to fix your driving style, your blaming the car for your poor driving ability if you can't even deal with a Corolla. The Honda S2000 is faster than an FRS/BRZ, but it makes no power at the very beginning, even less torque than an 86 especially at the beginning...will you say the S2000 is very slow then because it has no low range?

The Prius is NOT a 9 second car, its a 10.5 second car, its dead slow. I used the Prius to bait you, and you took it. Under electric power it moves ok, it seems quick even though its not, but even then its still weaker than the FRS under 3.5K rpm, so if you lose to a Prius even at this range...I'm sorry, but you not very good at getting the most out of a car and you might actually lose to a minivan with a Mustang because you don't understand your car's power band. The Prius hits a wall on power the moment the engine turns on, if you thought torque dip was bad the Prius engine is significantly worse, almost like a aggressive speed limiter.

Another reason I used the Prius to bait you, is it confirms to me you're assuming the 86/BRZ is always in the torque dip, while selling up these economy cars at their absolute peak, that's why I called your assertions dishonest. If you permanently set the 86/BRZ on the torque dip side, it will always be slower than an economy car...but that's only a 1000 rpm range out of 7500. Avoid the entire 3500-4500 rpm, its shockingly easy either upshift or downshift before that. Yes, I said upshift, if you stayed under 3.5K rpm...you have more torque than a Corolla ever could muster at its absolute peak which is 4000 rpm, let alone another compact, or Prius. Give the Corolla a head start, and drive the FRS like a granny, shifting early...you'll still beat it without a sweat.

[Demandred7]

Corollas have LED not xenon headlights.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Jegan_V

Then you have to fix your driving style, your blaming the car for your poor driving ability if you can't even deal with a Corolla. The Honda S2000 is faster than an FRS/BRZ, but it makes no power at the very beginning, even less torque than an 86 especially at the beginning...will you say the S2000 is very slow then because it has no low range?

The Prius is NOT a 9 second car, its a 10.5 second car, its dead slow. I used the Prius to bait you, and you took it. Under electric power it moves ok, it seems quick even though its not, but even then its still weaker than the FRS under 3.5K rpm, so if you lose to a Prius even at this range...I'm sorry, but you not very good at getting the most out of a car and you might actually lose to a minivan with a Mustang because you don't understand your car's power band. The Prius hits a wall on power the moment the engine turns on, if you thought torque dip was bad the Prius engine is significantly worse, almost like a aggressive speed limiter.

Another reason I used the Prius to bait you, is it confirms to me you're assuming the 86/BRZ is always in the torque dip, while selling up these economy cars at their absolute peak, that's why I called your assertions dishonest. If you permanently set the 86/BRZ on the torque dip side, it will always be slower than an economy car...but that's only a 1000 rpm range out of 7500. Avoid the entire 3500-4500 rpm, its shockingly easy either upshift or downshift before that. Yes, I said upshift, if you stayed under 3.5K rpm...you have more torque than a Corolla ever could muster at its absolute peak which is 4000 rpm, let alone another compact, or Prius. Give the Corolla a head start, and drive the FRS like a granny, shifting early...you'll still beat it without a sweat.

Well he did say he has an Evo so the torque dip should just seem like turbo lag to him anyway! I always enjoy the "torque dip kills your acceleration" crowd that seem to ignore lag without a second thought.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Demandred7

Corollas have LED not xenon headlights.

I was always a fan of Xena's headlights.



Oh wait...xenon. Nevermind.

[mrg666]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I was always a fan of Xena's headlights.

How is 0-60?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by mrg666

How is 0-60?

Best in the high 20s or so and still OK when pushing as high as 49. Not so sure the performance at 60 is where I would want it to be though.

[mrg666]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Best in the high 20s or so and still OK when pushing as high as 49. Not so sure the performance at 60 is where I would want it to be though.

OK, this seals the deal, I am sold! Bye bye FR-S!

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Cal3000

an FRS takes 3.4-4.0 seconds from 50-70 top rev range.
A Corolla can do it in 5.3 second. If you were behind a corolla with an FRS trying to get around it and he decides to speed up with you at that same instant, by the time you get up to 70, you are still going to be behind him. You are going to have to cover a lot of ground just to pass him. In LA traffic, you will never get past him before you reach the rear end of the car in front of you cursing the speed limit.

So, why would you still want to pass the Corolla .........


humfrz

[Cal3000]

Originally Posted by Jegan_V

Then you have to fix your driving style, your blaming the car for your poor driving ability if you can't even deal with a Corolla. The Honda S2000 is faster than an FRS/BRZ, but it makes no power at the very beginning, even less torque than an 86 especially at the beginning...will you say the S2000 is very slow then because it has no low range?

The Prius is NOT a 9 second car, its a 10.5 second car, its dead slow. I used the Prius to bait you, and you took it. Under electric power it moves ok, it seems quick even though its not, but even then its still weaker than the FRS under 3.5K rpm, so if you lose to a Prius even at this range...I'm sorry, but you not very good at getting the most out of a car and you might actually lose to a minivan with a Mustang because you don't understand your car's power band. The Prius hits a wall on power the moment the engine turns on, if you thought torque dip was bad the Prius engine is significantly worse, almost like a aggressive speed limiter.

Another reason I used the Prius to bait you, is it confirms to me you're assuming the 86/BRZ is always in the torque dip, while selling up these economy cars at their absolute peak, that's why I called your assertions dishonest. If you permanently set the 86/BRZ on the torque dip side, it will always be slower than an economy car...but that's only a 1000 rpm range out of 7500. Avoid the entire 3500-4500 rpm, its shockingly easy either upshift or downshift before that. Yes, I said upshift, if you stayed under 3.5K rpm...you have more torque than a Corolla ever could muster at its absolute peak which is 4000 rpm, let alone another compact, or Prius. Give the Corolla a head start, and drive the FRS like a granny, shifting early...you'll still beat it without a sweat.

I gave a performance figure and gave a scenario. The scenario I gave is correct. You are not going to move in front of a prius in a short distance no matter how far your rev out the engine. Depending on the year, a prius can get to 60 in 9.7 second. You are not going to gap a prius in your 1.7 second delta to 60. You are just going to look stupid not being able to move over lanes in front of them. lol
A prius makes 300 lb ft of torque from its electric motor at 0 rpm.

An s2k has the peak power to make up for the lack of torque and a higher rev range. An s2k can cover a lot more ground than a frs in a short range. It can gap an frs a car length within 2-3 seconds.
It's physics, not driving style.

It took 7-8 seconds to get within safe lane switching distance. And that's from rolling where the frs has a huge advantage.
You are not going anywhere off the line buddy.

[Cal3000]

Originally Posted by humfrz

So, why would you still want to pass the Corolla .........


humfrz

I'm just painting a picture. lol

[PetrolioBenzina]

Originally Posted by damnitBobby

I said it could use more power so I wouldn't lose to V6 accords. And yes I understand why I'm losing to V6 accords. But when you aren't a car enthusiast and you see a sleek sports car you wouldn't expect it to lose a drag race to a plebeian family sedan. Hey but I had the same issues with my RX8 so don't get too butt hurt guys. It's a minor gripe about an overall great car.

Why buy a car who's main purpose in life is to go around corners and then go drag racing? That's your problem, not the car.

[PetrolioBenzina]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

OK one last time.
Mustangs and Camaros do NOT make up 90% of the cars on the road they make up around .000002%. They will kick your ass. The majority of the cars on the road (driven by Joe and Jill Average) will not.

Being stuck behind a Cayman S being driven by Joe Average sucks. Oh, look! A turn! Which pedal should I use into and through the turn? Aha! The brake!

All these clowns STILL complaining about how slow the car is in a straight line just sell the f-ing thing already, join the appropriate new car forum and start bitching about how poorly it turns.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Cal3000

I'm just painting a picture. lol

Humfrz LOVES pushing buttons with a smile. Crafty old fart.