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Old 09-18-2022, 12:46 PM   #29
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With the $100K cut off there would only be one!
You can't get the V8 with a manual.

I was looking hard at the SC V6 manuals before I ordered the new BRZ. But when I looked at the beginning of the year, there was something like 15 for sale with the SC V6 and manual.
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that's quite normal actually. sales staff don't worry about selling what doesn't exist on their lot, or in que to to show up to the lot.

just before the hellcat released, my brother was in the process of changing dealerships for service. he said he saw both dealers react the same way-- guy's coming in 8-12 months before there was even an official build start date for the vehicle, looking to drop $10-40k to "get on the list" for a car there was no official dealer communication for.

in both cases, that was how the dealers knew the vehicle was going to happen, there was no official acknowledgement in even an email to the big-shot dealership owner from dodge that the vehicle existed until allocations opened up 3 months before production.
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They had posters for it on the walls!
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You can't get the V8 with a manual.

I was looking hard at the SC V6 manuals before I ordered the new BRZ. But when I looked at the beginning of the year, there was something like 15 for sale with the SC V6 and manual.
I would be I fine either way.
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I forgot an Alpha 4C. If only a manua…but yeah, I would still probably take it over an 86 if someone wanted to hand out a car sub $100k to me.
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With the $100K cut off there would only be one!
2023 Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing sneaks in at $86,615 with the 6 Speed Manual, and leaving a little room for accessories, like the $9K carbon aero package I would probably pass on. That's for the red. The orange saves you about $500.

It does have four doors though so probably doesn't qualify for this conversation. In that case, The Corvette LT3 Z51 in Red Mist Metallic at around $87K would fit the bill nicely.

That said, I'm not going to turn down your Jag if that's what is available.
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I forgot an Alpha 4C. If only a manuaÖbut yeah, I would still probably take it over an 86 if someone wanted to hand out a car sub $100k to me.

Manual or not I would take a 4C.

But if we are talking cars not in production Iíd rather have an Exige or Elise.
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2023 Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing sneaks in at $86,615 with the 6 Speed Manual, and leaving a little room for accessories, like the $9K carbon aero package I would probably pass on. That's for the red. The orange saves you about $500.

It does have four doors though so probably doesn't qualify for this conversation. In that case, The Corvette LT3 Z51 in Red Mist Metallic at around $87K would fit the bill nicely.

That said, I'm not going to turn down your Jag if that's what is available.
Age old debate (well about 30 years old) but almost none of the cars here are what I call a "sports car". The only qualifier, by my old school definition, as a 'small, light, two seater, usually a convertible' is the Miata and maybe the Fiat version if they even still make that. The 'Vette has some sort of weird class all of it's own now, the Mustang and Camaro remain Pony cars, the Challenger is still Muscle and the rest, incuding the 86 and BRZ are GT cars.

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Manual or not I would take a 4C.

But if we are talking cars not in production Iíd rather have an Exige or Elise.
Oh cool if we are opening it up to any and all cars including swap, highly modified and used then I have a huge shopping list! Unfortunately none are sports cars by either the old or new definition!

In fact I just came across the write up on this little gem the other day.
Well under $100K and I'll take it! https://www.hemmings.com/stories/202...ind-of-the-day
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Not gonna watch the clickbait.

For sake of conversation, I suppose it depends on what makes it "best". It's probably best for certain types of customer, regardless of price. All these other cars, despite being great to drive, have drawbacks in practicality, maintenance, and/or size and weight.

The 86/brz has an interesting balance of attributes that make it the best fit for some people, regardless of price. I consider getting a "better" sports car at least once a year and still here I am 9 years later with my FRS.

It probably has something to do with only having a 2 car garage and doing my own maintenance lol.

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Age old debate (well about 30 years old) but almost none of the cars here are what I call a "sports car". The only qualifier, by my old school definition, as a 'small, light, two seater, usually a convertible' is the Miata and maybe the Fiat version if they even still make that. The 'Vette has some sort of weird class all of it's own now, the Mustang and Camaro remain Pony cars, the Challenger is still Muscle and the rest, incuding the 86 and BRZ are GT cars.
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Old 09-19-2022, 11:41 AM   #38
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Miata has better shifter, more torque off idle, far better fuel efficiency, arguably better build quality and projected long-term reliability, better sounding engineÖ
well it does seem most prefer the shifter feel on the miata, but that is not a performance aspect right? its a preference.

fuel economy... sports car.. torque off idle... sports car... those aren't really relevant when talking performance/handling

stock for stock in any competitive scenario...
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well it does seem most prefer the shifter feel on the miata, but that is not a performance aspect right? its a preference.

fuel economy... sports car.. torque off idle... sports car... those aren't really relevant when talking performance/handling

stock for stock in any competitive scenario...
As soon as anybody say "feel" in reference to anything I pretty much ignore it. The "feel" of a shifter, steering, ride, etc is completely subjective to the speaker's taste and is not a measurable metric in any way.
I have driven a couple of Miata's and there is not one single thing about them where I preferred their "feel". The shifter is soft and mushy, the steering is imprecise, the body roll is... well Miata like.
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...well Miata like.
Half full bathtub on wheels kinda sums it up for me.
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I would be I fine either way.
They are amazingly beautiful cars. Just saw one when we went to the OSU game this weekend.
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Age old debate (well about 30 years old) but almost none of the cars here are what I call a "sports car". The only qualifier, by my old school definition, as a 'small, light, two seater, usually a convertible' is the Miata and maybe the Fiat version if they even still make that. The 'Vette has some sort of weird class all of it's own now, the Mustang and Camaro remain Pony cars, the Challenger is still Muscle and the rest, incuding the 86 and BRZ are GT cars. [/url]
I dunno, to me the Supra is more GT car, the 86 more sports car. Lightweight (relative to today's vehicles), rear drive, front engine, manual gearbox, and little if any frills (like sound insulation). Focused on the pleasure of driving, where as a GT car is a bit softer, and focused on long legged cruising..
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