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Old 12-06-2016, 12:27 PM   #1
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Rocker Arm Failure

I currently at 42K miles have a rocker arm that was pushed through the valve cover. Toyota is attempting to deny my P/T warranty for this for "over rev" because freeze frame data shows at some point i was at 7300 RPM at 35 mph.

Regardless of that i wanted to see if anyone else has had this failure.

Who has had a rocker arm failure ?
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Old 12-06-2016, 12:49 PM   #2
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7300RPM, how is that over rev? Thats below the cutoff, so normal rev. Dont let them deny it for that, it is not true at all, there are many others (including myself) who get to 7300 on every gear, lap after lap after lap
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Old 12-06-2016, 12:54 PM   #3
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Im trying to fight them on it but they are stone walling. I will be contacting an attorney and i bought a beater vehicle to allow me time to fight.
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I currently at 42K miles have a rocker arm that was pushed through the valve cover. Toyota is attempting to deny my P/T warranty for this for "over rev" because freeze frame data shows at some point i was at 7300 RPM at 35 mph.

Regardless of that i wanted to see if anyone else has had this failure.

Who has had a rocker arm failure ?
What mods did you have ?
Did Toyota/Subaru cover under warranty ?
You are not alone (some are FI though)


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Guess im still trying to figure out how you can be in 7300 at 35
What gear? Were you about to shift out?
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Guess im still trying to figure out how you can be in 7300 at 35
What gear? Were you about to shift out?
1st gear. If you are launching from a dead spot for maximum acceleration, you would want to shift at the redline (7400) on every gear, that includes first gear.
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Guess im still trying to figure out how you can be in 7300 at 35
What gear? Were you about to shift out?
Thats the top of first in a manual car. So yeah, its shifting time haha.
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I currently at 42K miles have a rocker arm that was pushed through the valve cover. Toyota is attempting to deny my P/T warranty for this for "over rev" because freeze frame data shows at some point i was at 7300 RPM at 35 mph.

Regardless of that i wanted to see if anyone else has had this failure.

Who has had a rocker arm failure ?
What mods did you have ?
Did Toyota/Subaru cover under warranty ?
Have you seen a print out of this "data? I am not sure that it was ever firmly established that they could even collect such information. If you have seen it then have you spoken directly to Toyota or just with the dealer? Just wondering if they are trying to pull a fast one. As previously said 7,300 is not an over rev anyway.
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Have you seen a print out of this "data? I am not sure that it was ever firmly established that they could even collect such information. If you have seen it then have you spoken directly to Toyota or just with the dealer? Just wondering if they are trying to pull a fast one. As previously said 7,300 is not an over rev anyway.

I have dealt with the dealer and Toyota corporate. They both advised me the District Toyota Parts and Service manager made the final denial to deny it and both refused to give me his contact info. I tracked him down and left him a message.

I do have a copy of the freeze frame, it was pulled when a code for a misfire popped up. The problem with that, is the freeze frame data has evidence that it was not pulled at the time of failure. The ambient temp reading is different from what it was the day of failure. Also the coolant/oil temps were also different than what it wouldve been as when the freeze frame was pulled coolant/oil was around 120 degrees, when i had been driving for 45 minutes when this failure occurred so everything would be over 200+. Also i had been driving that morning for a while, but the freeze frame data for that rev was 66 seconds after start up of the vehicle. So Toyota cannot prove that the freeze fram they are using to deny my claim occurred when the failure occurred but i have plenty of evidence to prove it wasnt from the same time and cannot be used. Also the fact that 7300 rpms is under the factory set rev limiter is one of my points as well.
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I have dealt with the dealer and Toyota corporate. They both advised me the District Toyota Parts and Service manager made the final denial to deny it and both refused to give me his contact info. I tracked him down and left him a message.

I do have a copy of the freeze frame, it was pulled when a code for a misfire popped up. The problem with that, is the freeze frame data has evidence that it was not pulled at the time of failure. The ambient temp reading is different from what it was the day of failure. Also the coolant/oil temps were also different than what it wouldve been as when the freeze frame was pulled coolant/oil was around 120 degrees, when i had been driving for 45 minutes when this failure occurred so everything would be over 200+. Also i had been driving that morning for a while, but the freeze frame data for that rev was 66 seconds after start up of the vehicle. So Toyota cannot prove that the freeze fram they are using to deny my claim occurred when the failure occurred but i have plenty of evidence to prove it wasnt from the same time and cannot be used. Also the fact that 7300 rpms is under the factory set rev limiter is one of my points as well.
Thanks! Does sound shady as hell.
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Indeed it does...

All those threads listed have been on MY13, I wonder if there are any MY14+ that have recorded this issue. Guess its good I haven't seen any pop up yet >_>
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All those threads listed have been on MY13, I wonder if there are any MY14+ that have recorded this issue. Guess its good I haven't seen any pop up yet >_>
I have seen one 14 and one 15 that had the issue. One (don't remember which or what thread) was FI and the other was a massive over rev. The guy with the over rev was positive that he didn't cause it but said he had a miss shift from 5th to second so there is little doubt that it was the direct cause. Actually if I remember right that thread may have got deleted because the guy was going to take them to court. Don't remember any follow up if there was one.
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They are completely ignoring my requests to speak to the person that denied it.

Ive reported Toyota to the BBB and the VA AG Bearau of consumer protection.
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