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Do you have evidence of this statement? I don't believe there are "scores piled up" on lots nor that every MT is marked up.
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04-25-2022, 08:11 AM | #870 |
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That is simply not true we all know that. Many of us can get our hands on automatics. They are certainly not stockpiled up anywhere. Yeah
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There are zero units sitting on the lot, AT or MT. There are 11 that will be available by 05/02, all 11 are AT. I assume that means the MT are spoken for because, guess what, folks wanting a manual are grabbing them up in advance. However, it seems obvious the ATs do not sit on the lot very long if they do at all, at least not here.
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One dealer I'm working with has scanned nationwide allocations a few times for me and I can confidently say that 70% of 86 allocations (except gulf/south - no data) have been AT. I'm sure more than 70% but I could guarantee that number. By mid-March I'd reached out to around 10 dealers to try to get additional deposits in. If MRSP = true, I would ask how many people are already in line and what their specs were - if there was nobody with my spec ahead of me, I'd get in line. Almost all of the people in line were waiting for MT. I have deposits with 3 dealers. I'm realizing now that when so many people place multiple deposits like this it probably screws things up for Toyota - a sort of duplicate demand signal. If so, great. Continuous improvement ahoy. If their system could actively match demand with production plans (say, like Subaru's) everyone would have one deposit at one dealer, they would have closed orders in January, nobody would have had to waste their time in this thread and I would already have my car instead of having no clue whether I'll ever get one. Since buying a new car will probably be like this for the foreseeable future, I'd be surprised if they don't try to overhaul this system soon. Trying to buy any model Toyota can put you into allocation wait purgatory. We know someone that waited 10 months for a Sienna allocation. |
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I think MSRP is the "new normal" and it will be a LONG time for anything below MSRP is a standard expectation again, if ever.
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I'm not sure where people get the idea that there are AT cars sitting on lots (easier to get sure, but still in short supply relative to other models). I understand regional differences, but as a generalization it's not true at all lol.
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Agree - they're all selling. They're just making more ATs, and it seems like MT is more in demand right now. |
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Another new "normal" that I learned when searching for the wife's next car is there will probably always be less on lot stock and more direct orders. All four of the dealers we visited said that even once the shortages clear up they expect to order more and carry less stock. It certainly would help to keep prices down but may cost them some impulse buys (like my FRS).
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If I'm getting a new car, I want to order my car exactly like I want it. Maybe at some point if the OEMs get good enough at it we'll have real build lists and not "bundles". Nothing irks me more than the "oh you want the extra cup holder, sure but to get it you need this $10,000 set of carbon ceramic discs on your $24,000 Corolla build".
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I don't mind it at all, unless i just totaled my car and need it right naoooow!
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That is exactly what I said. Their reply is that they would figure out how to deal with that as it became more common.
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Then, he had to deal with getting a replacement (he uses it to pull a fifth wheel camper). At first GMC said an order would be out 6 months so he was looking used, but wasn't going to be able to get what he wanted. Finally they got it down to 10 weeks as GM has opened manufacturing back up slowly. So now he's on the clock waiting, 6 weeks to go.
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