Any good reason to stick with 1st Gen?

[puppers]

Originally Posted by EAGLE5

I think Gen2 has a certain RX-8 look to it.

I'm gonna sell the FRS.

I've got an i4 M50 on order, not a Gen2.

I have a preorder set on one as well! Sunset Metallic Orange with a Cognac Interior. Looking at Sumer 2022. Getting rid of my Model 3 Performance for the Bimmer.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by timurrrr

The squeaks and rattles in my interior are sure trying to interact with me though.

I've heard many times people complaining about squeaks and rattles even on lightly used cars. Not only in this platform , but in general. Not sure how other people are driving their cars. Never had such kind of issues. Maybe it is a kind of art to drive smoothly and avoid road potholes and other imperfections.

[Tanstin]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Meh. The bulk of it is no newer that what there was.

every time i look at a thread here, its always this dude shitting on the gen 2. god forbid people are allowed to enjoy their cars.

go to the evo forums or something.

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[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by wheelspeed

, if you claim you're a car enthusiast but talk a lot about the interior, then that tells me you're not a real car enthusiast.

How does not caring about every aspect of a vehicle make you "not a real car enthusiast"? Last time I checked the interior is an integral part of the car driving experience.

A purpose built race car has a purpose built interior, as does any road car (which is really what the 86 is, a road car). You wouldn't want the interior quality of a Bentley in your Formula 1 car, but you also don't want the interior quality of a NASCAR in your street car.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Tanstin

every time i look at a thread here, its always this dude shitting on the gen 2. god forbid people are allowed to enjoy their cars.

go to the evo forums or something.

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The only thing I have ever said negative about the Gen 2 is that it looks like the exterior was designed by a committee of 18 year old boy racers. It is my opinion and I am not alone in it so I will share it if I wish.

The Gen 2 is a nice incremental improvement over the Gen 1 in many ways but it has not all of a sudden become a Supercar Porsche beater that some make it out to be.

The hate of and nit picking of the Gen 1 by some people on the Gen 2 subs (many who never owned one because it was "too slow") is far greater than the improvements in the Gen 2 warrant.

People that like their Gen 1 cars and have never had any issues are allowed to "enjoy" their cars as well. This thread was made to ask the question "any good reason to stick with the 1st Gen" and has delved into such topics as how superiors the signal stalk is on the Gen 2 which just shows the mindset of many of the Gen 2 buyers.

If you think that all I do here is slam the Gen 2 maybe you should venture out into the rest of the forum and see the bigger picture.

[2020BRZtS]

I have several reasons for sticking with Gen 1:

I have a limited edition
I own it outright
I've made modifications I'm not willing to lose either the financial or sweat equity
I have kept every car I've ever owned an average of 13 years
I'm not in the market

That said... This forum has a huge following and there are a lot of us that read it for entertainment and don't contribute every thought that comes to our heads. I, for one, enjoy @Tcoat, @humfrz, @soundman98, @JCD and many others' perspective.

This forum is raw just like the car. Notice the lack of like and dislike buttons. Giving thanks is the closest it gets. The participation trophy generation is wound too tight.

Ask yourself... If your wife has a younger sister would you be looking to trade up to Gen 2?

[Stonehorsw]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The only thing I have ever said negative about the Gen 2 is that it looks like the exterior was designed by a committee of 18 year old boy racers. It is my opinion and I am not alone in it so I will share it if I wish.

The Gen 2 is a nice incremental improvement over the Gen 1 in many ways but it has not all of a sudden become a Supercar Porsche beater that some make it out to be.

The hate of and nit picking of the Gen 1 by some people on the Gen 2 subs (many who never owned one because it was "too slow") is far greater than the improvements in the Gen 2 warrant.

People that like their Gen 1 cars and have never had any issues are allowed to "enjoy" their cars as well. This thread was made to ask the question "any good reason to stick with the 1st Gen" and has delved into such topics as how superiors the signal stalk is on the Gen 2 which just shows the mindset of many of the Gen 2 buyers.

If you think that all I do here is slam the Gen 2 maybe you should venture out into the rest of the forum and see the bigger picture.

I think that gen1 screams more boy racer than the second, and for this reason is more distinct design (I prefer overall gen1 design).
2nd gen looks tamed from the pictures.

[timurrrr]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

I've heard many times people complaining about squeaks and rattles even on lightly used cars. Not only in this platform , but in general. Not sure how other people are driving their cars. Never had such kind of issues. Maybe it is a kind of art to drive smoothly and avoid road potholes and other imperfections.

I'm doing my best to avoid potholes.

But also I got the car to be driven. It has CSG coilovers "optimized for street use but also capable on track". I drive in the Bay Area, and the local roads have seen better days.
I go to track days, and occasionally do end up hitting kerbs or going off.
The interior did get more rattle'y and squeaky over time.

That being said, even at 3500 miles and bone stock (bought second hand), my car had (and still has) a very annoying loud buzz coming from the gear shifter above 4500 rpms.
I tried changing the shifter but that only changed the timbre of the buzz.

I've also driven a friend's almost-new '17 Toyota 86 with just 2000 miles on the odometer that already had an annoying rattle somewhere behind the head unit.

I can imagine that there are in fact the majority of 1st gen cars that had quiet interior when they came off from the factory.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

such topics as how superiors the signal stalk is on the Gen 2 which just shows the mindset of many of the Gen 2 buyers.

Where exactly, other than in your own head?

[Dake]

Originally Posted by wheelspeed

I feel the need to share here that, I don't get all the conversation about interiors in general from the sports car enthusiast community. Every article or vid that goes on and on about interior makes me die a little inside. WTF, if you claim you're a car enthusiast but talk a lot about the interior, then that tells me you're not a real car enthusiast. People will say they like to be comfortable, but that's not a "driver's car" thing, that's a Mercedes thing. Get an old Town Car or Mercedes or something.

For most people, a car is the second largest investment in their life after a house (and for many, it may be their largest). Expecting an interior to be of decent quality has no bearing on whether one is a "true" enthusiast, that's just BS gate-keeping.

While I can agree to a certain extent that the Youtubers go on a bit too much, that's the nature of trying to get clicks and is easily ignored. But having a decent interior to live with - especially if this car is your attainable dream (we can't all go out and buy Porsche GT3 RSes or whatever) - is a perfectly acceptable desire.

I never had a problem with the first gen interior personally (though it did squeak and rattle more new, than my 32 year old Celica). The only change I made was adding the armrest. But if they want to refine things a tad on the inside while also upgrading all the other bits we're getting, that works too.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Stonehorsw

I think that gen1 screams more boy racer than the second, and for this reason is more distinct design (I prefer overall gen1 design).
2nd gen looks tamed from the pictures.

Nah. Smooth classic curves that work well together. Well, other than the droopy nose on the 17+ 86 but the license plate hides that thank goodness.

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by puppers

I have a preorder set on one as well! Sunset Metallic Orange with a Cognac Interior. Looking at Sumer 2022. Getting rid of my Model 3 Performance for the Bimmer.

Same exterior color, but I'm going black leather interior. Every option but the carbon and 5G. I'm getting rid of my MYLR for it.

I'd go Imola Red, but it'd be an expensive custom order.

The Teslas get a lot right and a lot wrong. For me, the wrong win.

[puppers]

Originally Posted by EAGLE5

Same exterior color, but I'm going black leather interior. Every option but the carbon and 5G. I'm getting rid of my MYLR for it.

I'd go Imola Red, but it'd be an expensive custom order.

The Teslas get a lot right and a lot wrong. For me, the wrong win.

Same here! I skipped on the 5G! Yeah, something about sunset orange with the massive grille makes it seem so much more subtle, yet refined and bold. It’s weird.

Yeah, I’m in the same boat. Tesla has the range, the charging network and performance down. Everything else is a bust for me. Quality, service, customer experience, symbolism - all wrong in my book. The nail in the coffin is tesla does not care about customers. That’s not to say you won’t have a good experience, but tesla as a brand - customer happiness is not their focus. Going back to a brand that’ll value me spending over 70k with them and be appreciated and taken care of.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by 2020BRZtS

I have several reasons for sticking with Gen 1:

I have a limited edition
I own it outright
I've made modifications I'm not willing to lose either the financial or sweat equity
I have kept every car I've ever owned an average of 13 years
I'm not in the market

That said... This forum has a huge following and there are a lot of us that read it for entertainment and don't contribute every thought that comes to our heads. I, for one, enjoy @Tcoat, @humfrz, @soundman98, @JCD and many others' perspective.

This forum is raw just like the car. Notice the lack of like and dislike buttons. Giving thanks is the closest it gets. The participation trophy generation is wound too tight.

Ask yourself... If your wife has a younger sister would you be looking to trade up to Gen 2?

Raw, yes, but you didn't mention @Ultramaroon -

My wife has 3 younger sisters, but they are all still too old -

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The only thing I have ever said negative about the Gen 2 is that it looks like the exterior was designed by a committee of 18 year old boy racers. ....

The Gen 2 is a nice incremental improvement over the Gen 1 in many ways but it has not all of a sudden become a Supercar Porsche beater that some make it out to be..

I agree. I'm glad they built a GEN2 and there are a number of great incremental improvements, it's just (for me) the exterior is NOT one of those improvements.

It's OK if you like, because if you do you will end up with a great car. Me, I also want something I'm willing to catch myself turning around and glancing at as I walk away. The GEN2 body ain't it.