COVID Developments and News

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by cjd

Yeah, gig jobs, that's the ticket... sorry, can't even say that with a straight face.

No, its not the ticket, but it is a ticket. There are lots of tickets to be had but you have to be motivated to get there and say "yes" when opportunities arise because you don't know where they will lead.

There are lots of other tickets that lead to success.

Example, I have a son that failed out of college (OK, 3 colleges) and got a job bagging groceries because we told him he need to at least have a job if he wasn't in school. Less than 10 years later, he's an assistant store manager at the same major grocery chain because he was willing to say "yes". Right now, that same chain can't get enough people to work even though they've raised salaries and offer benefits.

Originally Posted by cjd

It's not always been the rat-race it is now. Honestly, I think we need companies to invest in their workforce and commit to them. Demonstrate commitment.

That battle was lost during the 1980s and will probably never fully come back. The people entering the workforce now basically want a "gig economy with benefits". Corporations did this to themselves, its true, with layoffs to meet numbers, leveraged buyouts, etc. I just don't think they can win it back. My personal opinion is that a lot of this was caused by the conversions of pensions to "portable" 401Ks for retirement. Suddenly there is no long term incentive to stay with a company, no matter how well they treat you, if the company down the street will hire you for a $1 more an hour.

Even in our little suburb here outside Atlanta, we see it. There are 3 major businesses (hospital system, large university, large manufacturing plant). It isn't unusual to have employees that have worked for all three, and sometimes twice.

[Lantanafrs2]

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...53-of-covid-19

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

I am embarassed to admit that I forgot who he was and started out being impressed. By the last post I put it all together and went back to carefully re-read. I started a half dozen rebuttals and finally gave up in frustration. Had to regroup. Still regrouping.

It's hard to rebut so much bullshit at once. All that's left is calling them a stupid fucking asshole and then walking away. Anybody who eats all that shit deserves their mouth and stomach full of shit.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Atropine

Meth and heroine is legal in Oregon.

I think slippery slope can be overblown, but if you don't think you can gain miles one inch at a time...I don't know what to tell you.

The earth used to be the center of the universe.

Do you have kids? Or animals?

Have you let them get away with bad behavior and then it becomes.more frequent?

If you have, you have observed the slippery slop phenomenon.

Quit believing what academia tells you, and start thinking for yourself.

The slippery slope fallacy is saying you are opposed to one idea because you don't want to have a discussion about another idea that is tenuously adjacent to it. It is a more sound argument if you if you have the data to show a causality (not just correlation), but pure conjecture is what makes it a fallacy.

For example: If I am right and you are wrong now, what confidence do you have that I am not right about any other arguments?

Another example: My cat is allowed to jump onto my lap. My cat is not allowed to jump on the table. The slippery slope argument is that I need to stop my cat from jumping onto my lap or he will start jumping on the table.

In other words, the slippery slope fallacy is an attempt to draw lines in the sand forward of where you think the real line should actually be, because you are not confident in defending any given line. Hoping wave after wave of weak-ass arguments will somehow turn the tide is an ultimately futile act of desperation, not of logic and reasoning.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by EAGLE5

Anybody who eats all that shit deserves their mouth and stomach full of shit.

I spit it out as soon as I realized what it was. I keep brushing and brushing...

[Atropine]

Originally Posted by Spuds

The slippery slope fallacy is saying you are opposed to one idea because you don't want to have a discussion about another idea that is tenuously adjacent to it. It is a more sound argument if you if you have the data to show a causality (not just correlation), but pure conjecture is what makes it a fallacy.

For example: If I am right and you are wrong now, what confidence do you have that I am not right about any other arguments?

Another example: My cat is allowed to jump onto my lap. My cat is not allowed to jump on the table. The slippery slope argument is that I need to stop my cat from jumping onto my lap or he will start jumping on the table.

In other words, the slippery slope fallacy is an attempt to draw lines in the sand forward of where you think the real line should actually be, because you are not confident in defending any given line. Hoping wave after wave of weak-ass arguments will somehow turn the tide is an ultimately futile act of desperation, not of logic and reasoning.

I have gone by the other definition of just "slippery slope" rather than "slippery slope fallacy".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

I do see your point. I was going by the other defnitition involving incremental steps towards something.

No worries here man. I guess could just say "normalizing bad behavior can lead to more bad behavior."

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

I spit it out as soon as I realized what it was. I keep brushing and brushing...

They lull you with promises of heaven then F you in the A. Or S in your M as the case may be. Hey, text me, bro.

[wbradley]

Yeah, but a mandate is a mandate and there are no acceptable reasons for hospital employees to be able to bring the infection into a hospital.

That simply cannot happen, period.

People on social assistance are not walking into hospitals to see a multitude of patients every day. All you are suggesting is to create more hardship and misery for the population.


We're talking about a hospital that admits patients, not the NBA. And lifetime achievement recipient at the hospital isn't the same as being Kyrie Irving or Andrew Wiggins to the NBA. They are primadonnas and will make demands because they can.

Apparently Kyrie liked messages from some conspiracy theorist online posting about Moderna implanting vaccines in order to link all black people into a computer. . Seriously.
Andrew Wiggins grew up less than 5 miles from my house. I have lost all respect for him too.

At least Drake is vaxxed (I think, anyway).

[wbradley]

In the news today, Edmonton woman dies 4 days after giving birth. One of 10 pregnant unvaccinated women admitted to that hospital in recent weeks. Baby saved by last minute C section. Mother never regained consciousness after baby born.

I know of a pregnant woman who was admitted days before giving birth. Last I heard she was expected to spends months in hospital.

An obstetrician explained the vaccines are both safe and necessary.

Antivaxxers, looks like it's going to be a game of last man standing.

[Atropine]

Originally Posted by wbradley

Yeah, but a mandate is a mandate and there are no acceptable reasons for hospital employees to be able to bring the infection into a hospital.

That simply cannot happen, period.

People on social assistance are not walking into hospitals to see a multitude of patients every day. All you are suggesting is to create more hardship and misery for the population.


We're talking about a hospital that admits patients, not the NBA. And lifetime achievement recipient at the hospital isn't the same as being Kyrie Irving or Andrew Wiggins to the NBA. They are primadonnas and will make demands because they can.

Apparently Kyrie liked messages from some conspiracy theorist online posting about Moderna implanting vaccines in order to link all black people into a computer. . Seriously.
Andrew Wiggins grew up less than 5 miles from my house. I have lost all respect for him too.

At least Drake is vaxxed (I think, anyway).

Wiggins got vaxxed.

The vaccine doesn't really prevent transmission as much as claimed, but it is better than nothing.

My argument/main argument (Senator Rand Paul) about healthcare workers is this: if the healthcare worker caught/recovered from COVID, they will have antibodies.

Up until this pandemic, natural immunity was seen as superior to vaccine immunity.

This is one of the reasons that the healthcare workers are up in arms over the mandates.

The censorship of natural immunity is one the reasons many people mistrust the media over this.

I will repeat what I said earlier, if you check those boxes of things that make COVID worse...you should really strongly consider the vaccine.

I just do not like the mandates. But that is just my personal view.

I have seen some really sick pregnant women with COVID.

I have also seen/heard from my wife (she does Ultrasound) about people getting the vaccine and immediately having a misacarriage. This could be anecdotal or coincidental, but it happens.

Many hospitals have allowed exemptions for women who are pregnant or are trying to conceive.

So that might have been some of these women's thought process.

EDIT: oh yeah Kyrie is one of the reasons I got the vaccine. I don't want be in agreement with him on just about anything (flat earther).

[reni]

Heart inflammation with Pfizer and Moderna jabs
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57781637

• Pfizer-BioNTech - 145 cases of myocarditis and 138 cases of pericarditis out of 177 million doses given
• Moderna - 19 case of myocarditis and 19 cases of pericarditis out of 20 million doses given

[cjd]

Originally Posted by Atropine

I have gone by the other definition of just "slippery slope" rather than "slippery slope fallacy".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

I do see your point. I was going by the other defnitition involving incremental steps towards something.

No worries here man. I guess could just say "normalizing bad behavior can lead to more bad behavior."

That's the fallacy. You only hypothesize what that next inch forward might be. Certainly you could be right, but it might also be wrong. Let's say the sun is in your eyes. Do you give up, or try moving an inch this way or that to see if you can find a better spot?

As a kid I was hauld to the principal's office for hanging out with bad kids (they were the only kids my age anywhere close to our house). The argument was that I'd go bad. Instead I ended up keeping them out of trouble.
And calling people on bad behavior clearly has negative results... They entrench.
Humans are crazy.

[Atropine]

Originally Posted by reni

Heart inflammation with Pfizer and Moderna jabs
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57781637

• Pfizer-BioNTech - 145 cases of myocarditis and 138 cases of pericarditis out of 177 million doses given
• Moderna - 19 case of myocarditis and 19 cases of pericarditis out of 20 million doses given

That is from July...
As of September 1...here is more current info
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/25/h...s-vaccine.html
Expect those numbers to climb.
I still think COVID is more dangerous than the Vax.
But if someone already caught and recovered from COVID, the would have natural immunity.
That changes the equation.

[Atropine]

Originally Posted by cjd

That's the fallacy. You only hypothesize what that next inch forward might be. Certainly you could be right, but it might also be wrong. Let's say the sun is in your eyes. Do you give up, or try moving an inch this way or that to see if you can find a better spot?

As a kid I was hauld to the principal's office for hanging out with bad kids (they were the only kids my age anywhere close to our house). The argument was that I'd go bad. Instead I ended up keeping them out of trouble.
And calling people on bad behavior clearly has negative results... They entrench.
Humans are crazy.

Read the bottom part of the wiki.