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08-31-2017, 04:20 PM | #15 | |
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Removing the spring does nothing to change the travel. If you can bleed your own brakes then swapping the slave cylinder is no big deal. There is absolutely no problem with removing the assist spring. I'm personally insulted by the bullshit statement that Mtec made. Those assholes can suck it.
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@Zentec You have yet to prove your point. There is no extra "wear". It is an ASSIST spring. With or without the ASSIST spring, the piston is at the top of the travel as there is a spring INSIDE the clutch master cylinder, therefore there is no change in the function of the master cylinder itself, only the clutch pedal.
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Now please get back on topic and stop the bickering about the mod that i've already done and am happy with. Quote:
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Thanks i'll read it and then reply back, i'm a bit on the run atm, but since some people already suggested your DIY i'm hopeful that it will be good I know that the spring does nothing to change the travel, just wanted to mention it so that people don't suggest doing that first because i'm pretty sure that would have been suggested first ^^ since it does help with the general feel of the clutch a lot Completely agree on the spring topic, it is almost impossible that it has any negative effect and as long as i don't see some empirical data to prove me otherwise I won't believe what a single guy says. Edit: Read through the first 3 pages of that thread you posted. This is EXACTLY what i was talking about!!!! thanks 2nd Edit: Def gonna do this mod next week and see how it feels. It sounds like what I need so i'm hopeful for now. Thanks for the DIY and if I have any questions i'm gonna PM you probably Last edited by inferno56kb; 09-01-2017 at 07:23 AM. |
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I too have driven manual transmission cars before, and thought I was going crazy with my '15 brz. I couldn't feel the engagement point and it was heck taking off from a stoplight. It was really frustrating. When I took the spring out, I found I could drive again
The spring is pushing the pedal down, not up, right? So removing it should actually reduce wear because there's not any pressure on the clutch. I would think that a spring that pushes the pedal up to remove the slack is going to reduce any possible wear, but a spring that pushes it down (like the car is stock) is like very gently riding the clutch. I may be wrong, of course, and only have 18K on the car so far, but removing the clutch spring gave me back the joy of driving a manual transmission and no issues with it at all. It only takes a small amount of time to remove the clutch assist spring and adjust the pedal height. I would suggest the OP try it before changing out parts. Worst case, you have to re-install the spring and go back to stock. -Mark [edit] always drink your coffee before posting, looks like the OP already did that, sorry <slurp> I'll wake up eventually... [/edit] |
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LS1M: wasn't it so, that depending on clutch pedal point spring both pushes up when you release pedal, and a bit pushes down near fully pressed pedal? I guess it might indeed dull things on relatively light stock clutch with stock clutch cylinder ratio, bit it might make things easier with aftermarket stiff clutches.
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It's an over-center device like the spring in a light switch. It pushes up a teeny bit at the top of travel but as the pedal is depressed it pushes down with a rising rate.
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That's one of the main things that has kept me from removing it. Does anyone on here have the Mtec spring? I feel like I never hear anything great about it. I'm very tempted to remove my spring this week. I have owned this car for 4 years and I still get frustrated with the clutch feel. |
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Ignore the braided SS line. These are not the droids you're looking for.
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I will report here once i've changed the slave cylinder on my car (which should be end of next week because the subi dealership didn't have the part on hand, the dude actually laughed because i ordered a couple of OEM parts before already that no one ever needed so he had to order them as well) and then i can tell you my impression of the clutch without spring, the new slave and adjusted pedal height. |
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It's just that I've done at least a dozen swaps for my friends here. A couple have opted to leave the spring installed. After driving them I've come to the conclusion that it doesn't really matter. Lightens the pedal a little.
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- i have Mtec spring. Simply one of lesser spring rate then stock. Costs cheap, but then again i didn't feel enough difference in clutch feel after installing Mtec one instead of stock spring. Subjectively there was more difference with adjusting clutch pedal dead travel mod (don't go overboard, easy to get unnoticed slight clutch drag, that may add synchros wear/gear engagement harder). |
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