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Old 10-23-2021, 03:09 AM   #15
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I believe his comment on rawness is not related just on sound or NVH. You can install in the BRZ a better exhaust and stiffer bushings and you can have a comparable feeling. Main problem is how to achieve an engine rev up to 9k RPM. S2000 AP1 is pretty unique in this area and an achievement of the 90s. So, there is a reason to be so overpriced and desirable nowadays in Japan. Autobacs ASM tried pretty hard to give some love to the 86/BRZ too, but the user acceptance wasn't really the same.
I don't think I have that good a grasp on how the attributes (bore, stroke, displacement, redline, etc) of engines determine its character but would the new 2.4L engine be able to rev up to 9000RPM without being torque light down low?

Obviously Subaru prioritized low down torque to address the first gens main complaint, and given the relatively lower price point the Twins have over the S2000 I imagine the compromises they made make sense for that price point. Although there is no denying that with the banning of ICE cars it would have made the Twins something really special if it could rev that high.

While I haven't had first hand exposure to the S2000 and as mentioned earlier even though I think they are desirable, the appeal of a used car is less than that of something new especially if it gets close to offering a similar experience. The looks have aged very well though due to being a simple design without any(?) fussy lines and being as low as it is it looks the part of a sports car, of course I'd love to have an engine that revs out that high too, but short of exotica, Porsches and a handful of JDM and other obscure cars it seems like more worry than its worth to me.
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Old 10-23-2021, 03:25 AM   #16
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IMO the s2k is still ahead based on it has a very very robust high revving motor whereas with the fa24 since it's essentially a bored out fa20, would still have potential issues such as rocker arm ejection if they didn't add any rocker retainers on the fa24's.
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I don't think I have that good a grasp on how the attributes (bore, stroke, displacement, redline, etc) of engines determine its character but would the new 2.4L engine be able to rev up to 9000RPM without being torque light down low?
They had a problem to keep the 2.4L engine even in the same revs like the 2.0L engine. First development engines had a lower redline, but they were afraid that it won't be accepted and they fixed it. One issue was the extra weight of the pistons and rods, so they had to convert to the old (EJ- engine family) rod design to keep the weight down and the other issue was the breath of the engine. For the latter they had to go with a shorter and bigger intake manifold which hurts the torque in low-mid revs, but it is not quite noticeable cause of the bigger displacement.
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Integra Type-R > S2K
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Old 10-23-2021, 09:54 AM   #19
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I watched this one. I mean as he said it just turned out into a love letter to his s2000.

I'm sure he would of preferred to give the BRZ the stick around the mountains as well, but unfortunately he could only take it around the block .

Its a bit of artistic license, the guy wasn't reviewing the BRZ, nor comparing them to answer the question is one better than the other.
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Donít forget that demographics play a major role in old car prices. There maybe a day in the future where interest tails off on a certain genre of cars or specific cars. Japanese cars are coming into their own because of demographics and others cars already priced high. Remember we are in a money printing bubble so all assets are up. And the classic car guys do a great job of telling you about the crazy sales, but never about cars that are sold for much less then it cost to restore or that lose value or interest. 20 years from now interest in cars will change undoubtedly. How many on here plan on buying a steam powered brass car in the future?
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Old 10-23-2021, 11:10 AM   #21
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Integra Type-R > S2K
The first gen twin had similar performance to a DC2 Integra Type R.

Ď12 to Ď16 BRZ vs DC2 Integra Type R ó> https://zeperfs.com/en/duel4320-176.htm

Ď17+ BRZ vs DC2 Integra Type R ó> https://zeperfs.com/en/duel6893-176.htm

It looks like the 2nd gen is slightly better performance wise than an S2000.

Not sure how the Integra Type R is better than either, unless youíre talking about driving feel? As numbers arenít everything.
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Used car market is also different in Japan. Many owners will treat their cars as something precious and in some cases won't put much mileage too. Not sure if you can still find such a good condition S2000 car outside Japan:

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Owned an S2000 many years ago. Only kept it for about six months, just didnít love it. As a drivers car the engine and gearbox were excellent, but I prefer everything else on the 86.
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Owned an S2000 many years ago. Only kept it for about six months, just didnít love it. As a drivers car the engine and gearbox were excellent, but I prefer everything else on the 86.
off-topic but is that your Evora?
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off-topic but is that your Evora?

Yeah, mate.
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The S2k I test drove several years ago was twitchy. Maybe good on track but no fun to drive around town. If two seats, not fitting, and no roof were cool for me, I'd get an Elise or Miata.
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Yeah, mate.
That's awesome. I know cars are totally a subjective matter but I hold your opinion with a heavy weight...I drove an Evora GT recently and I can't describe how amazed I was in terms of being a driver's car! Loved everything about it.
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That's awesome. I know cars are totally a subjective matter but I hold your opinion with a heavy weight...I drove an Evora GT recently and I can't describe how amazed I was in terms of being a driver's car! Loved everything about it.
Just wait till you drive the Emira that's my dream car right there.
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