GR 86: Orders /Reservation /Waitlist Chat

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

There are scores of automatic GR86s piled up on lots, while the only stick ones available have absurd mark-ups.
.

Do you have evidence of this statement? I don't believe there are "scores piled up" on lots nor that every MT is marked up.

[Liquidsnake]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Do you have evidence of this statement? I don't believe there are "scores piled up" on lots nor that every MT is marked up.

That is simply not true we all know that. Many of us can get our hands on automatics. They are certainly not stockpiled up anywhere. Yeah

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Liquidsnake

That is simply not true we all know that. Many of us can get our hands on automatics. They are certainly not stockpiled up anywhere. Yeah

I did a search on the Toyota site for my local area (Atlanta and suburbs). That covers 7 Toyota dealers within about a 30 mile radius.

There are zero units sitting on the lot, AT or MT. There are 11 that will be available by 05/02, all 11 are AT. I assume that means the MT are spoken for because, guess what, folks wanting a manual are grabbing them up in advance.

However, it seems obvious the ATs do not sit on the lot very long if they do at all, at least not here.

[Liquidsnake]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I did a search on the Toyota site for my local area (Atlanta and suburbs). That covers 7 Toyota dealers within about a 30 mile radius.

There are zero units sitting on the lot, AT or MT. There are 11 that will be available by 05/02, all 11 are AT. I assume that means the MT are spoken for because, guess what, folks wanting a manual are grabbing them up in advance.

However, it seems obvious the ATs do not sit on the lot very long if they do at all, at least not here.

I’m sure it varies by region but in Los Angeles or more so California I can’t get my hands on an automatic to save my life

[fredzy]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I did a search on the Toyota site for my local area (Atlanta and suburbs). That covers 7 Toyota dealers within about a 30 mile radius.

There are zero units sitting on the lot, AT or MT. There are 11 that will be available by 05/02, all 11 are AT. I assume that means the MT are spoken for because, guess what, folks wanting a manual are grabbing them up in advance.

However, it seems obvious the ATs do not sit on the lot very long if they do at all, at least not here.

Not sure if your region is any different, but for midwest, mid Atlantic and NY regions all the dealer sites (with a few exceptions) show all allocations in their pipeline regardless of whether they are sold/reserved or not. It usually takes a while for them to come off the site once the customer takes delivery. It generates a lot of phone and email traffic if nothing else.

One dealer I'm working with has scanned nationwide allocations a few times for me and I can confidently say that 70% of 86 allocations (except gulf/south - no data) have been AT. I'm sure more than 70% but I could guarantee that number.

By mid-March I'd reached out to around 10 dealers to try to get additional deposits in. If MRSP = true, I would ask how many people are already in line and what their specs were - if there was nobody with my spec ahead of me, I'd get in line. Almost all of the people in line were waiting for MT.

I have deposits with 3 dealers. I'm realizing now that when so many people place multiple deposits like this it probably screws things up for Toyota - a sort of duplicate demand signal. If so, great. Continuous improvement ahoy. If their system could actively match demand with production plans (say, like Subaru's) everyone would have one deposit at one dealer, they would have closed orders in January, nobody would have had to waste their time in this thread and I would already have my car instead of having no clue whether I'll ever get one.

Since buying a new car will probably be like this for the foreseeable future, I'd be surprised if they don't try to overhaul this system soon. Trying to buy any model Toyota can put you into allocation wait purgatory. We know someone that waited 10 months for a Sienna allocation.

[Dadhawk]

I think MSRP is the "new normal" and it will be a LONG time for anything below MSRP is a standard expectation again, if ever.

[DylanJZA]

I'm not sure where people get the idea that there are AT cars sitting on lots (easier to get sure, but still in short supply relative to other models). I understand regional differences, but as a generalization it's not true at all lol.

[fredzy]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I think MSRP is the "new normal" and it will be a LONG time for anything below MSRP is a standard expectation again, if ever.

In a way I prefer this - not having to worry whether you're paying too much/said all the magic words etc. With MSRP being the agreed sort of universal price, I think it could make it harder for dealers to charge markups.

Originally Posted by DylanJZA

I'm not sure where people get the idea that there are AT cars sitting on lots (easier to get sure, but still in short supply relative to other models). I understand regional differences, but as a generalization it's not true at all lol.

Agree - they're all selling. They're just making more ATs, and it seems like MT is more in demand right now.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I think MSRP is the "new normal" and it will be a LONG time for anything below MSRP is a standard expectation again, if ever.

Another new "normal" that I learned when searching for the wife's next car is there will probably always be less on lot stock and more direct orders. All four of the dealers we visited said that even once the shortages clear up they expect to order more and carry less stock. It certainly would help to keep prices down but may cost them some impulse buys (like my FRS).

[DylanJZA]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Another new "normal" that I learned when searching for the wife's next car is there will probably always be less on lot stock and more direct orders. All four of the dealers we visited said that even once the shortages clear up they expect to order more and carry less stock. It certainly would help to keep prices down but may cost them some impulse buys (like my FRS).

I have worked with Toyota on some past engineering projects, and as such know some staff here and in JP, and they have commented along the same lines. They have found improvements in production through the shortages both at the corporate and dealer level. Interesting too, because in Japan nearly all cars are made to order for instance and it is preferred there as well.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by fredzy

In a way I prefer this - not having to worry whether you're paying too much/said all the magic words etc. With MSRP being the agreed sort of universal price, I think it could make it harder for dealers to charge markups.

Frankly I do too. That's why I've owned a Saturn and a Scion.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Another new "normal" that I learned when searching for the wife's next car is there will probably always be less on lot stock and more direct orders.

I'm with this. Heck, Mini already does this.

If I'm getting a new car, I want to order my car exactly like I want it. Maybe at some point if the OEMs get good enough at it we'll have real build lists and not "bundles". Nothing irks me more than the "oh you want the extra cup holder, sure but to get it you need this $10,000 set of carbon ceramic discs on your $24,000 Corolla build".

[Decep]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Another new "normal" that I learned when searching for the wife's next car is there will probably always be less on lot stock and more direct orders. All four of the dealers we visited said that even once the shortages clear up they expect to order more and carry less stock. It certainly would help to keep prices down but may cost them some impulse buys (like my FRS).

Just in time car purchasing.

I don't mind it at all, unless i just totaled my car and need it right naoooow!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Decep

Just in time car purchasing.

I don't mind it at all, unless i just totaled my car and need it right naoooow!

That is exactly what I said. Their reply is that they would figure out how to deal with that as it became more common.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Decep

Just in time car purchasing.

I don't mind it at all, unless i just totaled my car and need it right naoooow!

Got a coworker dealing with that right now. Someone rammed the back of his GMC Denali that was less than 12 months old. First he had to deal with the fact that the person who hit him was underinsured for what he decided to hit.

Then, he had to deal with getting a replacement (he uses it to pull a fifth wheel camper).

At first GMC said an order would be out 6 months so he was looking used, but wasn't going to be able to get what he wanted. Finally they got it down to 10 weeks as GM has opened manufacturing back up slowly.

So now he's on the clock waiting, 6 weeks to go.