BRZ vs S2000 vs Cayman S (my take)

[Superstar]

Originally Posted by Mikem53

What year was the Cayman..? They get faster with each iteration..
On the street the FRS will give you as much , if not more entertainment..
And for the price... It's an outstanding value.
On the track, at speed and nearing the limits.. The P car would be the one to have..

You can do a youtube search... there are multiple videos of the Cayman running on buttonwillow. One video shows a Cayman R running 2:11...

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0lJgG1O0to"]2012 Cayman R Buttonwillow PCA 2012/11/03 session 03 - YouTube[/ame]

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by Ganthrithor

993's are quicker than 86's, but they're not shockingly fast. My family has a 993 that I get to drive fairly often, and I feel like it's a pretty perfect road car: more power and torque than the 86 (enough to feel exciting), but also not powerful to the point where you can drive it lazily and still be fast-- you still have to work the car.

Yeah, Porsche's flat-sixes are the greatest things. They're pretty torque-y and they sound so good. Each motor sounds different, but they all sound great. I want a Porsche so badly, but I think I want something older. I really want something pre-1975 so I can do whatever I want to the car without having to smog it, but sadly I think I'll probably be priced out of that market forever now... every year prices increase massively. You can't even buy a rusted-out rolling chassis for an old car for under $10k now... it's ridiculous. Hopefully that bubble will burst at some point :\

Yeah unfortunately air cooled Porsche prices have been holding steady or slowly going up (for 964/993s) or skyrocketing for the older ones, especially the long nose models. Just craziness.

[CSG David]

Wow that Cayman driver needs a little coaching...

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by CSG David

Wow that Cayman driver needs a manual transmission, for starters...

Fixt.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by CSG David

Wow that Cayman needs @King Tut driving it...

fixt.

[Pegasus]

This reassures me with my FR-S purchase. But that's only because at 6"4 the FR-S is already a tad smaller than ideal. I probably couldn't do a 2k or Cayman

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by CSG David

Wow that Cayman driver needs a little coaching...

Out of curiosity, from someone who hasn't done any track days (but would like to in the near future), what are the most obvious/common errors you see in that video?

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by chrisl

Out of curiosity, from someone who hasn't done any track days (but would like to in the near future), what are the most obvious/common errors you see in that video?

He takes the safe line and doesn't actually utilize the entire track. He also looks really tense.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by chrisl

Out of curiosity, from someone who hasn't done any track days (but would like to in the near future), what are the most obvious/common errors you see in that video?

More than anything, he's scared (which isn't a bad thing). Also seems like he just doesn't know the potential of his car, so he accepts what he believes to be the limit as the limit, and does not try to go beyond his self-imposed limits.

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

One thing I didn't really mention much and want to is that (never owning anything with more than 4 cylinders before) the Porsche's M97 flat six engine is incredibly smooth, like silk. Really a night and day difference. Gotta love a naturally balanced engine. Oh, and while it's 3.4 liters and has a redline of 7200 make no mistake, this engine loves to rev. There's even an almost "VTEC" like changeover above 6000 when the Vario-Cam adjusts the timing. The exhaust note changes and you feel a little extra boost. It's also quite torquey for what it is, with it's peak torque (252) sustained over a 3000 rpm band.

I agree - it is a great engine. I wonder if the kick you feel at 6k is due to your tune though - I don't notice much at 6k, instead, I feel a significant increase in pull as the engine climbs a bit past 4k, and then it pulls strongly (and continuously) from about 4500 to redline. The torque is great though - even at the low end, this engine definitely pulls surprisingly hard for how rev-happy it is at the top.

[JS + BRZ]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

More than anything, he's scared (which isn't a bad thing). Also seems like he just doesn't know the potential of his car, so he accepts what he believes to be the limit as the limit, and does not try to go beyond his self-imposed limits.

Stop talking about me, Mike. :sad:

[Sonolin]

If you don't plan on boosting the s2000 (no experience with them there, but the supercharged s2000 seem to be very peaky), I'd say just get the Cayman S. You obviously want more power, like N/A engines, etc. Get the car you really want.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Sonolin

If you don't plan on boosting the s2000 (no experience with them there, but the supercharged s2000 seem to be very peaky), I'd say just get the Cayman S. You obviously want more power, like N/A engines, etc. Get the car you really want.

If by peaky, you mean linear powerband yes

[CSG Mike]

Or, how about turbo?

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE-9TJbs1Sw"]760 whp S2000 dyno pull, Tuned by UMS Tuning, AFI twinscroll turbo manifold, Q16 - YouTube[/ame]