EVO: Toyota GT86 vs Subaru BRZ Comparison

[Hachiroku]

Toyota GT86 vs Subaru BRZ

The Toyota GT86 and Subaru BRZ are near-identical cars with different personalities. Henry Catchpole has to tell them apart – and pick a winner

Text: Henry Catchpole / Photos: Dean Smith
January 2013



Klitschko, Brownlee, McRae, Dimbleby, Schleck, Chuckle – trying to choose between two brothers and decide which is the better is something of a sticky subject. You feel that even if it can be done – even 
if it’s sometimes quite an 
obvious decision – it probably shouldn’t be spoken about for the sake of some sort of familial harmony: ‘Each has his own strengths and is special in his own way, so let’s move on, nothing to see here.’ But only one of the Subaru BRZ and Toyota GT86 can go into the group test (E30 M3 vs Integra Type-R and Clion 200) over the page. So we must decide.

In this case the two Japanese protagonists are more like twins than mere brothers, so splitting them is even trickier. Their 197bhp boxer-four engines, for example, are identical, as are their gearboxes (this manual BRZ being more enjoyable than the auto we tried previously). They’ve even got the same Michelin Primacy tyres. The interiors might have been kitted out differently in these two particular cars, but apart from the badges on the identically shaped and sized steering wheels, both could be dressed up to match.

So, what is distinguishing? The front grilles are clearly different – one appears to be upside down, although we’re not sure which one. The thick strip of plastic behind the Subaru’s number plate does make it look like it’s got a bit of a moustache, which could be good or bad depending on 
your thoughts on what Nigel Mansell would have looked like with a small registration plate accessorising his soup strainer. You can also have the BRZ in Mica Blue, which for some will mean that it is an instant winner, but if we were to choose on bodywork alone, it would have all the kudos of the NME deciding that one half of Jedward is better looking than the other.

No, it all comes down to the way they drive, and even this is initially tricky to distinguish. Drive at six-tenths in either car and it really doesn’t matter which you choose. There’s bundles of grip from both 
chassis and a nice neutral 
feeling to the way each car dissects a series of bends, with neither remotely ruffled when you get on the throttle. In the wet, as roll stiffness effectively increases to 100 per cent, both cars are a doddle to slide when you turn the stability control off. Both are a lot of fun.

The two cars only truly begin to diverge when you increase your commitment and really start to push them dynamically in the dry. The difference is in the set-up, with the Toyota having a slightly softer front end and a slightly stiffer rear (and therefore by deduction the Subaru being mildly stiffer at the front and faintly softer at the rear). This means that initially you get a little more positive feeling from the 
steering of the BRZ as its sharper nose dives into corners, with a bit more bite the 
moment you turn the wheel. This extra grip doesn’t seem to diminish either; the harder you push, the harder it grips because as the car turns, the softer rear leans and digs its tyres harder into the tarmac. Understeer simply never materialises.

By comparison, the Toyota has a marginally softer 
feeling to the steering and less positivity as you turn in to a corner fast. Carry yet more speed and the nose actually begins to leak away its grip, the steering lightening a little in your palms as it does so. This then requires you to back off the throttle a fraction, or unwind a bit of lock to restore grip to the front tyres. In short, it will understeer.

What I’m about to say next might surprise you. We 
prefer the Toyota. Yup, the 
understeering GT86 is our choice for the thrill of driving. That’s because when the front tyres start to scrub, it’s 
comforting; it signals where you are with grip levels and lets you adjust the weight 
balance more effectively. In short, it gives you something to work with, whereas the BRZ at its limit just seems to grip and resist your attempts to get it moving around.

Because the GT86 is stiffer at the back, it also unsticks into oversteer (with a combination of momentum and power) more easily and progressively than the Subaru, which will eventually oversteer but feels 
more snappy and less happy doing so, wanting to pivot around a point closer to the front wheels. It’s all stuff that happens right at the outer 
limits of the cars’ repertoires, and unless you’re on a dry trackday it won’t matter most of the time because those limits are surprisingly high.

But we need to separate the two somehow, because only one can meet the bona fide bunch of heroes waiting for it in the group test that follows. The Toyota gets the nod.

Via: http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/carg...ubaru_brz.html

[OrbitalEllipses]

These people (not just EVO) constantly go back and forth on "oh it understeers and we hate it" in reference to one car then later reference the other twin and "love how it understeers."

[OnkelC]

Seems like EVO mag still feels like having to apologize for the so-so review of the BRZ last year.

[SUB-FT86]

Im so confused about these cars. Every review says one oversteers and the other understeers. But it seems like it fluctuates between both cars. Even on this forum I have seen members post confusing mess. One guy said his FRS understeers like a fat pig yet another guy said its "really neutral".

[Turbowned]

I thought the BRZ had more initial understeer? Now I'm just plain confused. Oh well, the stock springs and dampers will not remain on my car so the point is irrelevant.

Now, onto the 86/M3/ITR/Clio battle!!!

[SnapOv3st3r]

I plan to purchase the FR-S, but this article still confused me. Oh well, as mentioned...Let the Battle Begin.

[DriftEightSix]

Very confused... cause i can't feel the understeer in my 86! :s...

[Shagaliscious]

Maybe they mixed up the reviews? Like they got drunk and accidently put the FR-S review with the BRZ, and the BRZ review with the FR-S?

[EZWood]

I've experienced both under and oversteer in my frs. It all depends on the drivers input.

[kndonlee]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

Im so confused about these cars. Every review says one oversteers and the other understeers. But it seems like it fluctuates between both cars. Even on this forum I have seen members post confusing mess. One guy said his FRS understeers like a fat pig yet another guy said its "really neutral".

Selection Bias.

Of the 500 opinions out there, maybe a handful have really driven the gamut of cars to really be able to say that a car understeers or oversteers. Most can only state that it does X in comparison to Y, or maybe Y & Z.

[chrisbfrs]

Originally Posted by EZWood

I've experienced both under and oversteer in my frs. It all depends on the drivers input.

Same here, I get over and under steer depending how I drive. FRS = Fun but Really Slow

[BigFatFlip]

Just goes to show how similar the two really are...

[Xdragonxb0i]

is the stiffer suspension that big of a deal? We always have gt86 vs brz, I just dont think the diffrence is enough to compare the two. i see them as one. Except the brz has nicer interior then our FRS

[cwik]