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Old 03-02-2021, 03:01 PM   #1
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2013 Toyota 86

Good day, looking to get your advice. i'll be looking at a 2013 Toyota 86 with about 36,000km on it. It did not undergo the Valve Spring Recall.

I was wondering for those who own a 2013 model who did not do the recall. how has it been so far? Would really appreciate your input.
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Old 03-02-2021, 09:44 PM   #2
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get any other year that is not need a valve spring recall and save yourself the headache. unless the 2013 is going to be dirt cheap. Low kms' for it is not a selling point, use the fact that this model year is a complete gamble as a bargaining chip
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Old 03-02-2021, 09:48 PM   #3
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Mine's been trouble free except for the usual throwout bearing blues. From 15k to 66k. Still going strong, but if the price difference isn't great might as well go for a 2017 onward.
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Try to save more money and buy one without a recall.
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Well, I have a 2013 FR-S with 25,000 miles.

It falls under the recall notice, however, I've decided NOT to have the work done, for fear they will mess up my car. My car is running just fine.
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Well, I have a 2013 FR-S with 25,000 miles.

It falls under the recall notice, however, I've decided NOT to have the work done, for fear they will mess up my car. My car is running just fine.
And I have a 2013 FR-S at 181,000 miles with the recall done a little less than 50,000 miles ago. My car is also running just fine.

That said, if I bought a second 2013 that was subject to the recall, and it had 36,000km on it, I would not bother with the recall unless required to for registration purposes. I would use it to lower the price of the car below book value on purchase.
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Noteing that the OP is in the Phillipines and I doubt there is the selection that there is in California or North America in general he may not have a lot of options. The recall is probably not the bargining chip it is in the US.
Since he is not forced to do the recall I would say just go for it. The number of cars reported that failed due to the actual springs is miniscule.
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Good day, looking to get your advice. i'll be looking at a 2013 Toyota 86 with about 36,000km on it. It did not undergo the Valve Spring Recall.

I was wondering for those who own a 2013 model who did not do the recall. how has it been so far? Would really appreciate your input.
Bought a 13 gt86 with 76k km that hadn't done the recall about a year ago. I needed something done by Toyota and they wouldn't do it unless recall was done. Generally it is a US issue to have bad job done on recalls because they get paid less so they rush it. No issues for me, the recall isn't really that big. Took a couple days. While the engine was out I asked the dealer to just put new spark plugs and they didn't charge any labor for it either. I tend to believe the North American FRS are built cheaper and have more issues (not something that is fact but it just seems like that to me).

I'd say the opposite to what the others are saying. Go for it. And don't go for the 2017+ because they lack the same aftermarket support
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I tend to believe the North American FRS are built cheaper and have more issues (not something that is fact but it just seems like that to me).

Go for it.



Im I missing something? FRS/GT86/BRZ always came out of the ONE AND ONLY Japanese factory in Gunma,

same Specs, same Workers… build adjusted only for country laws for local certification.


But I’m with you on the go for it part if local laws don’t interfere
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There really isn't much to worry about with a 13 that has maintenance records and either doesn't need the recall or you live where it isn't mandatory for registration. Newer is usually better however when cost is a factor then older is better as long as you do your due diligence on the car. I'm getting close to 50K and zero issues except for Toyota ruining my engine with the recall
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Im I missing something? FRS/GT86/BRZ always came out of the ONE AND ONLY Japanese factory in Gunma,

same Specs, same Workers… build adjusted only for country laws for local certification.


But I’m with you on the go for it part if local laws don’t interfere
I do vaguely remember that the FRS was the only one to come solely (at least initially) with the basic interior (parts-bin plastic knobs and the non-Entune non-touchscreen radio).
Elsewhere, I think the GT86 came with the nicer interior that the BRZ Limited/Sport Tech etc. got.
Also, the FRS got the halogen headlights while everywhere else, HIDs/LEDs were standard.
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Im I missing something? FRS/GT86/BRZ always came out of the ONE AND ONLY Japanese factory in Gunma,

same Specs, same Workers… build adjusted only for country laws for local certification.


But I’m with you on the go for it part if local laws don’t interfere
Not really the same spec though. All non-US cars are typically fitted with keyless / leveling HIDs / auto climate control / knee pads and other such stuff as standard, so to an extent US cars are built to a lower spec.

Mechanically speaking, they should be identical though. Some countries got cars w/o LSD or rear vented brakes, but those are few and far between.

I think the number of failures we're seeing is more down to the sheer number of cars sold in the US, and possibly the relative incompetence of some dealerships, plus the fact that this forum is an easy place to come vent some post-recall rage

As far as OP, honestly I don't see what the deal with avoiding 2012 / 2013 cars is. Later cars are slightly better, but that's the case with almost any brand or model. Plus, in lots of non-US markets, 12's and 13's make up for most of the used market. IIRC, 80% of 86's ever sold in Europe are 2012's and 2013's.
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Not really the same spec though. All non-US cars are typically fitted with keyless / leveling HIDs / auto climate control / knee pads and other such stuff as standard, so to an extent US cars are built to a lower spec.

Mechanically speaking, they should be identical though. Some countries got cars w/o LSD or rear vented brakes, but those are few and far between.

I think the number of failures we're seeing is more down to the sheer number of cars sold in the US, and possibly the relative incompetence of some dealerships, plus the fact that this forum is an easy place to come vent some post-recall rage

As far as OP, honestly I don't see what the deal with avoiding 2012 / 2013 cars is. Later cars are slightly better, but that's the case with almost any brand or model. Plus, in lots of non-US markets, 12's and 13's make up for most of the used market. IIRC, 80% of 86's ever sold in Europe are 2012's and 2013's.
There are probably more in the US than the rest of the world combined so...
Also if you come to a primarily US based forum and then say "looks like all the problems are in the US" then yes they have more issues.

The fact that he is in the Phillpines may make it hard to avoid any certain years. It is more ore less a take what you can get situation there.
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