All-New 2022 Subaru BRZ Makes Global Debut

[Lantanafrs2]

Love it or hate it, this may be the last hurrah for naturally aspirated internal combustion powered sports cars.

[StE92ve]

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

In all seriousness the style is growing on me a bit.

One of my litmus tests for purchasing a car is would I look back and admire it after it's parked and I'm walking away. That will be determined when I see the Gen2 twins in the flesh.

[nextcar]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Everybody has a bias. People that didn't like the looks of the first gen are biased against it. Saying people are confirmation biased just because they don't agree with you is silly. People are just trying to find reasons to discredit the others opinion and yelling "they own an old one so it is just bias" is a really easy route.

Ad hominem responses and name calling are an even easier route.

Are you really of the opinion that there is absolutely no confirmation bias at all on this matter, from any current owner? It seems that you are taking this personally, whereas I am speaking of the entire population of 1st gen owners that dislike the 2nd gen.

I, for one, am not trying to discredit anyone's opinion, and I think it is fine to dislike the newer car. I am personally neutral on the appearance of the new car, pending seeing it in person and driving it. From the start I have been fascinated by how vehement the negative reaction has been from some 1st gen owners. Here my comments do appear to apply to you, although not specifically.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by nextcar

Ad hominem responses and name calling are an even easier route.

Are you really of the opinion that there is absolutely no confirmation bias at all on this matter, from any current owner? It seems that you are taking this personally, whereas I am speaking of the entire population of 1st gen owners that dislike the 2nd gen.

I, for one, am not trying to discredit anyone's opinion, and I think it is fine to dislike the newer car. I am personally neutral on the appearance of the new car, pending seeing it in person and driving it. From the start I have been fascinated by how vehement the negative reaction has been from some 1st gen owners. Here my comments do appear to apply to you, although not specifically.

Ad hominem? As opposed to your insightful observations? Name calling? Did I miss something I said?
No I can not say that there is none but the kneejerk reaction to everything is "Oh the owners of the previous are biased and they just don't like the new because of that". I do take it personally since it has been directed at me several times now. I have even been called "dumb" and "not sane" for buying one of the last of the first generation made because I LIKE it. Now I suppose I am just "trying to justify my choice in face of the better car" or some bullshit like that.
There is no hidden reason why some like the old better than the new and the vehement reaction of some of the first gen owners is simply because we Subjectively think the new design sucks balls. We are supposed to keep quiet and let the racer wanttabes fawn all over it without expressing our dislike?

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Name calling? Did I miss something I said?

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Of course the current owners like the current version. THAT IS WHY THEY OWN THEM. That does not for one second say that their opinion on the new is invalid because some some dumbass thinks the monstrosity it became looks good.

I think it looks good, so I guess I'm some dumbass

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ZDan

I think it looks good, so I guess I'm some dumbass

Well if I am going to accused of name calling I am going to do it!

And no YOU are not a dumbass but the place does seem to be crawling with them all of a sudden

[Ernest72]

You can like whatever generation car you want, but trading in your old twin for a new twin will never make sense financially. I already lost on the depreciation, why trade it, lose more money and then pay more for a car that’s a little bit better. Of course I would reserve a final decision after driving one, but honestly to pay more than 10-15k and the taxes again, is not worth it to me. That’s a down payment for a used Cayman S.

That said, if you like it, get it, it’s your money. But it does not mean it’s a smart decision. Over on Nasioc, there a dudes who have bought 3 different WRXs over the years while I still have my 04. Not all were new, but man all in they are easily over 60k and basically have a similar experience as I do, except I have had no payments for 12 years. But in the end it’s not my money.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Ernest72

You can like whatever generation car you want, but trading in your old twin for a new twin will never make sense financially. I already lost on the depreciation, why trade it, lose more money and then pay more for a car that’s a little bit better. .

This applies to nearly any old car for new transaction though. Unless it involves a total loss wreck it is almost always cheaper to fix a car than to replace it with a brand new one.

[spike021]

Originally Posted by Ernest72

You can like whatever generation car you want, but trading in your old twin for a new twin will never make sense financially. I already lost on the depreciation, why trade it, lose more money and then pay more for a car that’s a little bit better. Of course I would reserve a final decision after driving one, but honestly to pay more than 10-15k and the taxes again, is not worth it to me. That’s a down payment for a used Cayman S.

That said, if you like it, get it, it’s your money. But it does not mean it’s a smart decision. Over on Nasioc, there a dudes who have bought 3 different WRXs over the years while I still have my 04. Not all were new, but man all in they are easily over 60k and basically have a similar experience as I do, except I have had no payments for 12 years. But in the end it’s not my money.

My impression is that most people don’t care about the financial loss unless they truly took the worst finance/lease deal of all time on one of these.

[nextcar]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Ad hominem? As opposed to your insightful observations? Name calling? Did I miss something I said?

Yup, and at least one of the instances was cited by @ZDan above. Not worth the effort to dig up the others...

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I do take it personally since it has been directed at me several times now. I have even been called "dumb" and "not sane" for buying one of the last of the first generation made because I LIKE it.

How shall I say this politely... I have never done this, and not everything on this forum is about you...

Originally Posted by Tcoat

There is no hidden reason why some like the old better than the new and the vehement reaction of some of the first gen owners is simply because we Subjectively think the new design sucks balls. We are supposed to keep quiet and let the racer wanttabes fawn all over it without expressing our dislike?

Well if you are asking what I think you should do (and I know you are not):

Calm down before you give yourself a stroke. It's just a car.

[Quentin]

Originally Posted by Ernest72

You can like whatever generation car you want, but trading in your old twin for a new twin will never make sense financially. I already lost on the depreciation, why trade it, lose more money and then pay more for a car that’s a little bit better. Of course I would reserve a final decision after driving one, but honestly to pay more than 10-15k and the taxes again, is not worth it to me. That’s a down payment for a used Cayman S.

That said, if you like it, get it, it’s your money. But it does not mean it’s a smart decision. Over on Nasioc, there a dudes who have bought 3 different WRXs over the years while I still have my 04. Not all were new, but man all in they are easily over 60k and basically have a similar experience as I do, except I have had no payments for 12 years. But in the end it’s not my money.

When the ‘02 Impreza came out, almost all of the ‘98-‘01 owners on Nasioc (i-club at the time) hated the looks. Most people decided the turbo engine was worth it and moved on. Same with the ‘02-‘03 when the ‘04-‘05 came out. Repeat for ‘06, ‘08, and ‘15. I personally liked all of them except the non-STI ‘08. But the GC was the best looking one because I had an ‘01 2.5RS.


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[Ernest72]

Originally Posted by Quentin

When the ‘02 Impreza came out, almost all of the ‘98-‘01 owners on Nasioc (i-club at the time) hated the looks. Most people decided the turbo engine was worth it and moved on. Same with the ‘02-‘03 when the ‘04-‘05 came out. Repeat for ‘06, ‘08, and ‘15. I personally liked all of them except the non-STI ‘08. But the GC was the best looking one because I had an ‘01 2.5RS.


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I agree, the GC and GD are my faves. Jumping to a turbo car was a big deal so at least you got that for your money. But there were people going from 02 to 09 to 15 which just gets you some better refinement and different engine/more power. But the essence is the same, especially once modded. I prefer the rawness and look of the GC/GD. Also I have an 04 wagon, so no wagon for the new ones.

[Ernest72]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

This applies to nearly any old car for new transaction though. Unless it involves a total loss wreck it is almost always cheaper to fix a car than to replace it with a brand new one.

Totally agree, I guess I mean the short amount of time some of these people own a car before they trade it. If it’s over 10 years and over 150k, I get why people want new and you got some good use out of the car for your money. But some of these people own a car for 2 years and trade up. To do that for something so similar does not make sense to me.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Ernest72

Totally agree, I guess I mean the short amount of time some of these people own a car before they trade it. If it’s over 10 years and over 150k, I get why people want new and you got some good use out of the car for your money. But some of these people own a car for 2 years and trade up. To do that for something so similar does not make sense to me.

That definitely does not apply to @Tcoat given he had well into 6 digit miles on his car when he made an informed decision to purchase a second one of the same generation.

Frankly, if he wanted to stay with the Twins, and given what we knew about the timing of the new generation and the small incremental changes, I think he made a good choice.