Get ready June 2 reveal date for something, likely the North American GR86

[jflogerzi]

Originally Posted by ninjan00dles

I believe I just did 1 better (for me anyways)!



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[ninjan00dles]

Originally Posted by Transport3r

Who gives a shit about the damn door chimes? It’s a sports car. For everything that matters in one, Toyota got their way. It would be the same car in all the ways that matter except for price.

On a Ford motor in a Chevy? Hell yea I wouldn’t mind. They co-develop transmissions already so why not engines? The coyote is a better motor than the LT any day, but that’s besides the point really.

If these collaborations keep the cars us enthusiasts want around, I’m all for it. The Supra is the most exciting car on a BMW chassis in 10 years. I support it 100%. If it had a manual, I’d look past the looks and get one ASAP.

M2 CS would like to have a talk

[ninjan00dles]

Originally Posted by jflogerzi

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Thank you sir! ND2 RF Club with teh manual

[Transport3r]

Originally Posted by ninjan00dles

M2 CS would like to have a talk

Eh. I guess. The 1/2 series was always too heavy for its size to be truly fun to drive IMO. The M2 weighs almost 400lbs more than the Supra, and actually weighs more than the F80 M3/M4. Like most BMWs from the last 10 years, so close, but not good enough for me to buy one.

[jflogerzi]

Originally Posted by ninjan00dles

Thank you sir! ND2 RF Club with teh manual

Nice!!! RFs are so damn sexy

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[saltywetman]

Originally Posted by ninjan00dles

If BMW weren't involved it would probably be different because it would have a Toyota drivetrain, be made in Japan, and not have BMW door chimes?

I'm not going to sit here and tell you whether a Toyota made Supra would have been more commercially successful because no one knows that. But I do ask, what would you think if Chevy had a Ford motor in the new C8 Corvette because it would have been cheaper that way? Would it be forgivable because its a V8 anyways?

You have to remember for some these companies, it's not a choice between developing everything from the ground up themselves or partnering up with another company to put out a sports car. It's more a choice between partnering to co develop a sports car or not releasing a sports car at all. The 86/brz would have never happened if Toyota was unable finally convince Subaru to get on board with its development.

You made a poor analogy with whether Chevy using a Ford motor in the C8 Corvette would be forgivable or not. In the case with to the twins or the zupra the appropriate question to ask is:

"Would prospective sports cars owners rather have the option of a C8 Corvette produced using a Ford motor over the C8 even existing at all, what would they choose?"

I'd rather have more options on the market to choose from. Would I have preferred the 86 been 100% Toyota? Heck yeah. But I'd take the co developed twin over being limited to the Miata as the only choice for an affordable lightweight rwd sports car that I can buy brand new

The twins and supra were more passion projects of Toyota that were never expected to be a huge profit generating star on their lineup. To make it affordable for prospective buyers and practical for their own bottom line, shared development was necessary for these cars to existed.

Toyota has been away from the sports car scene for so long this could be their low risk way of getting their toes wet. Who knows what it'll be like in a few years, if the big wigs in Toyota feel it's practical to develop a sports car from their ground up, we may see it in the future. I am not holding my breath, however. There are higher chances of a 100% Toyota sports car in electrical form before we see a 100% Toyota made 86 or supra in ICE form

[Transport3r]

Originally Posted by saltywetman

Who knows what it'll be like in a few years, if the big wigs in Toyota feel it's practical to develop a sports car from their ground up, we may see it in the future.

I think another significant hurdle for Toyota is simply producing a low volume car in any of their facilities which have been set up for extremely high volumes. Corollas and RAV4s sell at extremely consistent and predictable rates, sports cars do not. I don’t think they want to commit assembly line capacity (and uncertainty) from their facilities to these kinds of cars, which is why they let Subaru and Magna Steyr build them for them.

[saltywetman]

Originally Posted by Transport3r

I think another significant hurdle for Toyota is simply producing a low volume car in any of their facilities which have been set up for extremely high volumes. Corollas and RAV4s sell at extremely consistent and predictable rates, sports cars do not. I don’t think they want to commit assembly line capacity (and uncertainty) from their facilities to these kinds of cars, which is why they let Subaru and Magna Steyr build them for them.

Totally agree. Even gr Yaris was only made due to the homologation requirement from top rally regulations.

I still wish they made the little rocket available in North America. Would be the idea winter car to pair with the twin

[Transport3r]

Originally Posted by saltywetman

Totally agree. Even gr Yaris was only made due to the homologation requirement from top rally regulations.

I still wish they made the little rocket available in North America. Would be the idea winter car to pair with the twin

I would love a GR Yaris as a daily

[jflogerzi]

Originally Posted by Transport3r

I would love a GR Yaris as a daily

We may get our wish or as close as we can get with Corolla GR. If we get the same motor and AWD system with the new Corolla hatchback...

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[Transport3r]

Originally Posted by jflogerzi

We may get our wish or as close as we can get with Corolla GR. If we get the same motor and AWD system with the new Corolla hatchback...

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Fair, but it won’t be as tossable as the 2850lbs Yaris. The BRZ spoiled me with lightness, everything else feels heavy now.

[saltywetman]

Originally Posted by jflogerzi

We may get our wish or as close as we can get with Corolla GR. If we get the same motor and AWD system with the new Corolla hatchback...

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I don't think I'd want the larger gr corolla. The extra weight will likely wreck the nimbleness the 3cyl turbo will not be as impressive. Gr Yaris can beat out the CTR on a straight line and outaccelerate the Sti. With the added bulk with the corolla, I'd imagine it would absolutely get killed by the Sti and CTR. And we can't even use the argument we use with the twins being not meant for a straight line but being nimble on corners because it will be bigger, heavier, and less nimble

And if they ditch the AWD to save weight, you might as well get a CTR

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by ninjan00dles

Thank you sir! ND2 RF Club with teh manual

Nice.

Gotta love that soul red special colour they make too - i just want to lick it and see if it tastes like a candy apple.

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by saltywetman

I don't think I'd want the larger gr corolla. The extra weight will likely wreck the nimbleness the 3cyl turbo will not be as impressive. Gr Yaris can beat out the CTR on a straight line and outaccelerate the Sti. With the added bulk with the corolla, I'd imagine it would absolutely get killed by the Sti and CTR. And we can't even use the argument we use with the twins being not meant for a straight line but being nimble on corners because it will be bigger, heavier, and less nimble

And if they ditch the AWD to save weight, you might as well get a CTR

Who knows what will happen with the corolla gr.

But its unlikely to be such a departure in its chassis from its original model like the YarisGR was.

But lets say they gave her the new YarisGR engine + built on the hybrid tech and gave her civic killing power. That would still be really cool.