Toyota FT-86 II Concept to be unveiled at Geneva!!!

[matadormi5]

Originally Posted by cyde01

i don't think it's blind hate when everyone agrees that you're a troll. we've already been through this argument a million times, if you want to continue that argument do it in the appropriate thread. otherwise, you're a troll.

Well the blind hate comment was referring to the Elise comment and how with some reading could have seen I had said the same thing a page back.

Issues aside, I will admit my fault and I apologize for resurrecting a dead debate.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by matadormi5

Grand touring coupe. Ever hear of the Aston Martin DBS, Jag XK, Maserati GranTurismo, Ferrari 612 or even even the Nissan GT-R can be considered a sort of GT coupe. All these cars are a bit on the heavy side b/c of comfort features but drive wonderfully still.

The SC430 was this dull boulevard cruiser. A real GT car just needs power, be a 2+2, and look good. No need for a folding roof.

You may be right about Toyota and Subaru wanting both to be light track mobiles, we'll just have to wait and see really.

Please, the cars you mentioned above priced 10times or more the ft-86 is(Assume that it is nearly 30K). They weight almost 2 times and has more than 2 times the power. Except that Godzilla over there.

[zigzagz94]

Originally Posted by matadormi5

Issues aside, I will admit my fault and I apologize for resurrecting a dead debate.

Along with most of the "old guy" mafia I don't agree with your opinions but I do respect this comment.

Hopefully this will serve as an example for the tons of new members we will be getting over the next few months as more details emerge about these cars from Geneva.

Do your research, search the old threads, and if you want to comment on a dead debate at least do it in the right thread...thanks

[70NYD]

You were contradicting your self so many times, that I needed to let it out. I was being kind too..

[matadormi5]

Originally Posted by Dark

Please, the cars you mentioned above priced 10times or more the ft-86 is(Assume that it is nearly 30K). They weight almost 2 times and has more than 2 times the power. Except that Godzilla over there.

True, but then comes the Hyundai Gen coupe. It's a GT-ish car, RWD, 2+2, 300hp, looks good imo. $30k. Comfortable and I hear it's quite quick on a track too.

I'm thinking the Subaru 86 will be very much like the Genesis coupe. This has probably has been said before somewhere on here, so yeah. Let's end here.

[ichitaka05]

Everyone is in same page and happy. Now, old members here are waiting new prey to hunt... I mean, new member to welcome.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Dark

...wow.

Originally Posted by matadormi5

Badge engineering: selling the same vehicle under a different brand with relatively little or no mechanical changes. Hence, if the Toyota 86 only has different bumpers than the Subaru 86, it will be a badge engineered car. Doesn't have to be a bad thing, Pontiac G8 and Holden Monaro was great.

So what's the problem?

[Dark]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Everyone is in same page and happy. Now, old members here are waiting new prey to hunt... I mean, new member to welcome.

WTF, Ichi? Keep it secret.

New members, please don't be strangers. They will really hunt you down.

@mata: You looked at her, didn't you? Haha

[70NYD]

Originally Posted by Dark

Mmmm kewl party trick I can think of 20 different things to do with that

[Calais]

Originally Posted by matadormi5

Reread my comment, I say that Subaru DOES NOT have the badge power or badge following that a brand like Porsche does.

What good would having a car that fits none of the current Subaru ideals be? How are they going to market their line-up? "It's what makes a Subaru, a Subaru....except for that one."

The other Subaru stablemate, the STI is more comfortable and a far better daily driver than it's direct competitor, the Evo. I will put money on it that their 86 will follow the same philosphy. Never has safe and comfortable ruled out fun to drive.

hmm i wear i re read that 3 times before i posted and it said they have the following... Subaru is known for its BOXER engines too and what will this car have? A BOXER engine!!! so how does it not fit any of Subaru's ideals?

You were saying a more mature car and thats not what this car is about at all, it will be safe and it should be comfortable but it wont be mature as i said before thats what Subaru already has in the Liberty

[matadormi5]

Originally Posted by Calais

hmm i wear i re read that 3 times before i posted and it said they have the following... Subaru is known for its BOXER engines too and what will this car have? A BOXER engine!!! so how does it not fit any of Subaru's ideals?

You were saying a more mature car and thats not what this car is about at all, it will be safe and it should be comfortable but it wont be mature as i said before thats what Subaru already has in the Liberty

I don't want to get back into the whole discussion but I'll clarify my original point just this once b/c I think it got lost in the ruckus.

Boxer engine is a Subaru staple, but the Toyota will have it too (at least that's what I've heard). I was saying how Subaru would probably want to distinguish their 86 from Toyota's 86 (with luxury features, maybe AWD. etc) but not too much stuff or else it would drift away from the sporty small coupe it was meant to be.

In America at least (idk about other countries) Subaru is more upscale than Toyota. So I came to the conclusion that the Subaru would probably be the mature version of FT-86. Not the mature car of Subaru's whole line-up. My wording in the original comment could have been interpreted both ways so it's my bad.

I had to google what the Subaru Liberty was, in the U.S. it's the Legacy. haha, learn something new everyday.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by matadormi5

I don't want to get back into the whole discussion but I'll clarify my original point just this once b/c I think it got lost in the ruckus.

Boxer engine is a Subaru staple, but the Toyota will have it too (at least that's what I've heard). I was saying how Subaru would probably want to distinguish their 86 from Toyota's 86 (with luxury features, maybe AWD. etc) but not too much stuff or else it would drift away from the sporty small coupe it was meant to be.

In America at least (idk about other countries) Subaru is more upscale than Toyota. So I came to the conclusion that the Subaru would probably be the mature version of FT-86. Not the mature car of Subaru's whole line-up. My wording in the original comment could have been interpreted both ways so it's my bad.

I had to google what the Subaru Liberty was, in the U.S. it's the Legacy. haha, learn something new everyday.

I cannot fully agree on "Subaru is more upscale than Toyota." statement. Where I live, I haven't seen much mature Subaru owner. Mostly age of 18~26 driving. Yes, it's generalizing, but at the same time you're too. So your statement is only half true.

I do agree that, Grand Touring ver should come out... BUT in both edition, not only Subaru.

Also, Subaru doesn't need to make it luxury than Toyota or vise versa. Even they made on few cosmetic difference, ppl will buy them because of the one looks better looking than other or cuz of brand name. Nissan/Infiniti doing the same thing. I know Infiniti is owned by Nissan, but same goes with Toyota & Subaru. Toyota does own little bit of ownership of Subaru, so it's win win situation for them. Even Toyota ver sells more than Subaru ver, it doesn't matter. Because Subaru still making $ out of it.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by matadormi5

I don't want to get back into the whole discussion but I'll clarify my original point just this once b/c I think it got lost in the ruckus.

Boxer engine is a Subaru staple, but the Toyota will have it too (at least that's what I've heard). I was saying how Subaru would probably want to distinguish their 86 from Toyota's 86 (with luxury features, maybe AWD. etc) but not too much stuff or else it would drift away from the sporty small coupe it was meant to be.

In America at least (idk about other countries) Subaru is more upscale than Toyota. So I came to the conclusion that the Subaru would probably be the mature version of FT-86. Not the mature car of Subaru's whole line-up. My wording in the original comment could have been interpreted both ways so it's my bad.

I had to google what the Subaru Liberty was, in the U.S. it's the Legacy. haha, learn something new everyday.

Actually, Toyota is more upscale than Subaru if you look at the current line up.
Land Cruiser is in the class of its own. Honestly, I believe that when it comes to adventure car, nothing can beat Land Cruiser (even Land Rover).
Tacoma and 4 runner are off road beasts.
Venza is so sophisticate(Camry Crosstour?).
Avalon is for people who can't afford a Lexus( I guess).
And some others...
Seems like people really forget about my beloved Land Cruiser.

[matadormi5]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Even they made on few cosmetic difference, ppl will buy them because of the one looks better looking than other or cuz of brand name. Nissan/Infiniti doing the same thing. I know Infiniti is owned by Nissan, but same goes with Toyota & Subaru. Toyota does own little bit of ownership of Subaru, so it's win win situation for them. Even Toyota ver sells more than Subaru ver, it doesn't matter. Because Subaru still making $ out of it.

Absolutely true. The 86 is a wonderful project that Subaru and Toyota have worked out and hopefully it turns out well for us people who love cars and for their profit figures.

hahah, yeah I've heard a bunch of comments on autoblog and Jalopnik where ppl say their deciding factor is going to be just which 86 looks better.

Originally Posted by Dark

Actually, Toyota is more upscale than Subaru if you look at the current line up.
Land Cruiser is in the class of its own. Honestly, I believe that when it comes to adventure car, nothing can beat Land Cruiser (even Land Rover).
Tacoma and 4 runner are off road beasts.
Venza is so sophisticate(Camry Crosstour?).
Avalon is for people who can't afford a Lexus( I guess).
And some others...
Seems like people really forget about my beloved Land Cruiser.

Hmmmmm I completely forgot about the Land Cruiser, sorry lol. And the Avalon, maybe just because I haven't seen any of them in ages.

Good point, good point indeed. I'm even more interested in how the two different 86's will turn out now.