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View Poll Results: How many 86 owners are planning on getting the Supra?
I'm definitely getting one 32 12.17%
I might get one if they offer a MT 100 38.02%
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Old 04-25-2019, 11:17 AM   #1037
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The GT4 concept had the fake vents opened up, even the door vent. Most are still trying to figure out the function of that one though.







The passenger side bumper grille has ducting for brake cooling on the factory MKV.



It looks like a provision for brake ducting rather than a duct ? Hopefully there's one for the drivers side also LOL !

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Old 04-25-2019, 08:02 PM   #1038
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It looks like a provision for brake ducting rather than a duct ? Hopefully there's one for the drivers side also LOL !

Yup it doesn't look complete. It's similar on the driver's side but still TBD if the ducting will be standard, available on the GT4 or a DIY mod.

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Old 04-26-2019, 01:27 AM   #1039
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Yup it doesn't look complete. It's similar on the driver's side but still TBD if the ducting will be standard, available on the GT4 or a DIY mod
It is complete as shown in the photo of the wheel well and in the parts diagram.

What’s not shown is the cooling duct points at the brake rotor dust shield. The dust shield is bent into a scoop shape to collect the incoming air and direct it into the center of the brake rotor where the rotor vanes pump the air from the center to the outside of the rotor.

I know this because the same brake cooling duct design is present on my BMW 228i.
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Old 04-26-2019, 10:25 AM   #1040
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It is complete as shown in the photo of the wheel well and in the parts diagram.

What’s not shown is the cooling duct points at the brake rotor dust shield. The dust shield is bent into a scoop shape to collect the incoming air and direct it into the center of the brake rotor where the rotor vanes pump the air from the center to the outside of the rotor.

I know this because the same brake cooling duct design is present on my BMW 228i.
Is it an effective brake cooler for the track, or a poor design ?
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Is it an effective brake cooler for the track, or a poor design ?
The design is sound; air is blown at the centre of the brake rotor.

I only have anecdotal data to comment on the effectiveness. I have seen impact marks from road debris on the scooped part of the dust shield. The duct also blows a lot of water at the brake rotor when driving on the highway in the rain. Water on the brake rotor makes the top of the pedal stroke ineffective at slowing the car during the first brake application after a long rainy cruise at speed. I have experienced this wet rotor effect on all cars I've driven; but it is most pronounced on the BMW.

On my BMW 228i, in addition to the brake cooling duct and the heat exchanger inside the wheel well. There is a third duct outlet that is tall and narrow beside the heat exchanger; where the bumper cover meets the wheel well liner. I think this duct is used to blow air out the front of the wheel well and around the front of the tire. This curtain of air is probably used to reduce the wake of turbulent air generated by the rotating front tire to reduce drag.

BMW has put a lot of thought into managing the air in the front wheel wells. It probably cost a lot to develop all of these feature so it is unlikely they would be completely useless.

My 228i has opposed piston fixed calipers front and rear; but I don't like the brake pedal feel. The top of the pedal travel has too much brake booster assist, has very little feel/feedback making it tricky to modulate. During track driving I found the lack of feel is more of a problem when releasing the brake pedal as opposed to applying it. Applying the brakes in a braking zone I can quickly apply the brake pedal past the top part of the pedal travel and slow the car effectively. However releasing the pedal and reducing the brake force smoothly through the top part of the pedal travel is difficult to do because of the lack of feedback/feel. I prefer the pedal feel and feedback in my FR-S (floating calipers all around) much more. The Supra will only have fixed calipers in the front paired with floating calipers in the rear. Forgoing the rear fixed calipers is either a cost savings measure or there is no benefit in terms of feel/feedback to justify having them. In a couple Supra prototype drive reviews I read the authors did say they disliked the brake pedal feel.

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To bring the conversation back to the Supra; at the moment without driving one I don't know if I would buy one (duh!). I don't think I would enjoy owning a sporty GT car; which is what Toyota says the Supra is designed to be. The Supra will be fast/sporty and comfortable; but heavy and expensive to maintain. Sports cars to me should be balanced, light, simple, reliable, easy/cheap to maintain. Sports cars should also provide visceral feedback through the controls, seats and engine sound which is contrary to my definition of a comfortable GT.

My 228i (despite its "Track Package" and "M Sport" trim) is really just a compact GT car best for quiet and comfortable highway cruising. The sporty/track options haven't transformed it into a sports car.

I doubt the Supra would be able to replace my FR-S as a sports car in the same ways my 228i has failed to.
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Old 04-26-2019, 05:26 PM   #1043
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Supra + BRZ = Viper (no HP)

Toyota Supra Gets 86 Face Swap, Looks Like a Japanese Viper





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looks alright but definitely doesn't remind me of any viper, just looks like the supra and 86 share a similar design philosophy
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Twin has fake vents, Zupra has fake vents

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