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[spike021]

Originally Posted by TommyW

And I remember that people had a lot more faith in the government and their agendas not to say that the gov was any less corrupt. So just because there's some new, rushed through vax and the gov says it's safe we're supposed to just blindly inject it even though there is plenty of evidence to the potential dangers? Only time will tell.

Modern times we have a lot more info available through countless avenues so we are able to make more informed personal decisions. In the long run a lot of us may change our minds however for now we'll just observe.

Why do you insist on the same argument? If your issue is with mRNA vaccines being "rushed", then that's good for you; so take the old viral vector vaccine since that's tried-and-true for decades now.

There have always been multiple options here. Nobody has said you're forced to take an mRNA vaccine that is "rushed"/"new".

That's just moving goalposts.

[MyHybridBurnsGasAndTires]

Originally Posted by TommyW

Modern times we have a lot more info available through countless avenues so we are able to make more informed personal decisions. In the long run a lot of us may change our minds however for now we'll just observe.

lmao another brain polished completely smooth. the perfect frictionless surface.

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Sending that message to this many people in 1500AD would have taken months/years to write down copies, find a courier, and then have the copies distributed.

1800 you could print and distribute it through the mail with enough money, but you still had to have a press and get it set up, and then operate it manually.

1950 you could broadcast a message via radio, send it via telephone, or print and mail, but you still had to go through some extra steps once you compose the message.

Now you simply press on your pocket communications device a bunch and hit send.

TLDR, Technology and money definitely substitutes for time.

Thought it was pretty clear and self explanatory especially given the context and the specific reference and acknowledgement of technological advancements and resources… but guess not…

Time is in specific regards to long term testing.

And the question was when in the timeline a mandate has taken place.
If a vaccine had full approval for 10years and took 20years of testing to achieve approval and then was mandated vs being mandated before even achieving approval and not even being released for a year. I wouldn’t use the first example to then justify the 2nd example.

[spike021]

lol imagine your main complaint still being about mRNA vaccines when a traditional vaccination vector has also been offered for the same amount of time.

It's like how we have Impossible Meat or Beyond whatever. Those have only been out a short time! But now everybody is mandating and forcing us to eat them!!

Actually, sike, traditional meat is still widely available and sold to us.

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by spike021

lol imagine your main complaint still being about mRNA vaccines when a traditional vaccination vector has also been offered for the same amount of time.

It's like how we have Impossible Meat or Beyond whatever. Those have only been out a short time! But now everybody is mandating and forcing us to eat them!!

Actually, sike, traditional meat is still widely available and sold to us.

Not sure who’s main complaint is about mRNA. It is a newer tech that should at least raise some concern though.

But your argument makes no sense at all…

No covid vaccine has been around for long… JJ uses the traditional vaccine type, but the JJ is still a new vaccine.

Also,
There is no mandate to eat fake meat nor real meat. Someone can choose to eat whatever meat they want or choose to not eat either all together. Your example is almost the opposite of what you’re trying to argue.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by NWFRS

When storks delivered babies, did they come pre-vaccinated, or was that something the parents had to do?

Parent's job. Storks charge a delivery fee if they have to come pre-vaccinated.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

Thought it was pretty clear and self explanatory especially given the context and the specific reference and acknowledgement of technological advancements and resources… but guess not…

Time is in specific regards to long term testing.

And the question was when in the timeline a mandate has taken place.
If a vaccine had full approval for 10years and took 20years of testing to achieve approval and then was mandated vs being mandated before even achieving approval and not even being released for a year. I wouldn’t use the first example to then justify the 2nd example.

All vaccines have undergone complete phase 3 testing. The Pfizer at least has full FDA approval. What more do you want?

Phased trials are an invention made well after the first inoculations were mandated for the continental army in 1776. This was before the US government even existed. There was no real testing, just "hey this seems to work, let's use it to stop smallpox".

[wbradley]

Aside from a real medical reason not to be vaccinated, which is rare, there are very few
if any people that can convince me they should not be vaccinated.

Maybe if you lived on Saint Helena. But definitely not on Svalbard. Too many flights in and out and they cannot bury you in the permafrost by law.

[MyHybridBurnsGasAndTires]

Originally Posted by Spuds

All vaccines have undergone complete phase 3 testing. The Pfizer at least has full FDA approval. What more do you want?

Phased trials are an invention made well after the first inoculations were mandated for the continental army in 1776. This was before the US government even existed. There was no real testing, just "hey this seems to work, let's use it to stop smallpox".

i accurately pointed out that this tokyo guy sucks and has no interest in making any good faith arguments. it's fallacies and bullshit in every. single. post.

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

I see both sides doing it, However one side has a monopoly on the media so you see that side far more frequently.

Originally Posted by MyHybridBurnsGasAndTires

who has a "monopoly" on the media

still waiting on an answer to this even though i'm probably gonna hate whatever it is

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by Spuds

All vaccines have undergone complete phase 3 testing. The Pfizer at least has full FDA approval. What more do you want?

Phased trials are an invention made well after the first inoculations were mandated for the continental army in 1776. This was before the US government even existed. There was no real testing, just "hey this seems to work, let's use it to stop smallpox".

Long term testing.

So we should continue medical practices from 500yrs ago?

The claim was made using previous vaccine mandates across the last 100yrs basically arguing it was ok then so why not now?

My question was in regards to timelines. From the few mandated vaccines I looked into it seems they had been tested for a long time, approved for a long time and then later mandated. Seems very disingenuous to compare the two, but I haven’t taken the time to look at every example and the subsequent timelines, hence the question that was proposed.

Your statements made after quoting me hold really no relevance to the original claim and my questions i posed from that claim.

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by MyHybridBurnsGasAndTires

i accurately pointed out that this tokyo guy sucks and has no interest in making any good faith arguments. it's fallacies and bullshit in every. single. post.









still waiting on an answer to this even though i'm probably gonna hate whatever it is

Facebook, Twitter, and the vast majority of media outlets and news networks.
I think you know the answer.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

Long term testing.

So we should continue medical practices from 500yrs ago?

The claim was made using previous vaccine mandates across the last 100yrs basically arguing it was ok then so why not now?

My question was in regards to timelines. From the few mandated vaccines I looked into it seems they had been tested for a long time, approved for a long time and then later mandated. Seems very disingenuous to compare the two, but I haven’t taken the time to look at every example and the subsequent timelines, hence the question that was proposed.

Your statements made after quoting me hold really no relevance to the original claim and my questions i posed from that claim.

Except you are the one saying we should use practices from 500 years ago. My point was that we now have a scientific, multi-phase testing approach using modern medical technology and examination practices. It is quite effective at determining how effective something is and what safety concerns there are. 500 years ago, you picked some pus off a cow and wiped it on a cut you made with a rusty knife and determined whether someone lived or died in the next week or so.

The modern methods render references to past timelines irrelevant.

Here's the mandated inoculation from 1776...
https://www.battlefields.org/learn/a...noculates-army

To counter both the fear and the actual disease itself George Washington ordered a bold move on February 6, 1777, to have the entire Continental Army inoculated. At this juncture it became a matter of policy. This act alone may have saved the Revolution. The process was simple. A physician lanced one of the infected patient’s pustules with a knife or scalpel and then inserted the infected blade under the skin of a healthy person. Generally the inoculated person contracted the disease, but in a much milder form.

Which would you prefer, "variolation" above which had been done for about a hundred years prior, or something engineered for purpose with a certified testing regimen?

(Variolation apparently still killed 5%+ of the people who received it.)

[MyHybridBurnsGasAndTires]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

Facebook, Twitter, and the vast majority of media outlets and news networks.
I think you know the answer.

dont be a coward say what you mean

[Lantanafrs2]

Myfrsburnse85 and I'm not due for booster until December unless they shorten it up. Maybe they will.