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Old 10-29-2019, 03:15 PM   #197
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That hasn't changed much. The GA state/local police are very good at this.
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Old 10-29-2019, 04:23 PM   #198
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We didn't set that bar. The people that say they "can't" merge, pass, get passed, etc due to "lack of power" did. The car is more than capable of all those things. It is some drivers that appear to be lacking. Now, if the complaint is that 20% of the cars made can kick your ass in a stop light drag race then ya the car is "underpowered". If you want to play with the big boys then that is up to you to increase the power not the manufacturer.
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I don’t think it’s unreasonable or unrealistic at all to want a more powerful engine in the 86. It’s not a dangerously slow car, nothing sold in North America is. (Is the Smart car still sold here? Lol) But the twins are sports cars that should feel quicker IMO. If they cost a little more because of that it would be worth it. They should all have the Sachs dampers, Brembos, and MPS tires also. The only people who buy this car are enthusiasts, with some exceptions I’m sure. So why doesn’t Toyota/Subaru embrace that?



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I think you missed the CARB legal part of the conversation

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No I didn't. Obviously you know something I don't so why don't you enlighten me/us.
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Old 10-29-2019, 05:15 PM   #200
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No I didn't. Obviously you know something I don't so why don't you enlighten me/us.
Plainly stated, those superchargers you listed are not CARB legal for 2017+ (up to 2016 only). Please let me know if that's not true.

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Old 10-29-2019, 05:17 PM   #201
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I don’t think it’s unreasonable or unrealistic at all to want a more powerful engine in the 86. It’s not a dangerously slow car, nothing sold in North America is. (Is the Smart car still sold here? Lol) But the twins are sports cars that should feel quicker IMO. If they cost a little more because of that it would be worth it. They should all have the Sachs dampers, Brembos, and MPS tires also. The only people who buy this car are enthusiasts, with some exceptions I’m sure. So why doesn’t Toyota/Subaru embrace that?



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There is a huge difference between "want" and "need". My point AGAIN is that the car works perfectly fine as is, contrary to many that "can't" get around in traffic. If people want more power to indulge in their boiracer fast and furious street racing fantasy that is a whole different matter and they have ways to get there without raising the sticker price of the car for the majority that don't have that wish.

The majority of these cars sold new are not to "enthusiasts" unless you consider anybody that likes an inexpensive, 2+2 as one. For every heavily modded car out there you will find hundreds of bone stock daily driver driven by a wide range of demographics. For every car that will actually ever see a track or even auto x there are thousands that will hardly see red line much less be driven even close to the limits. This whole "enthusiast" as some elite group concept is a product of forums and car meets. There are car enthusiasts for minivans and Prius' so saying only "enthusiasts " buy these cars is way off base.

Sure the car could come with more power and a whole pile of handling upgrades. At a price which would not be "a little more". That price would probably kill it in a heartbeat though. Even if it did come equipped as you want half of your "enthusiasts" would still say it is under powered and rip out half the factory suspension to "upgrade" it. How many bone stock STis do you see driving around? Are they too slow as well?

It was planned, designed and built to be what it is and many, many, many people are more than happy with it that way but I guess we are just not big enough enthusiasts since we are satisfied and can actually drive the bloody things with no whining.
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Plainly bites. I just looked around myself. WTH is taking so long?
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Plainly bites. I just looked around myself. WTH is taking so long?
Oh have you not heard how effective and amazing the government is? Weird

They probably already filed for it, but it takes ages.
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Oh did people not hear how effective and amazing the government is? Weird

I think I can assume the goal posts have been moved again
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Yep. My previously mentioned '64 Polara had a 318CI V8 that output 230HP (SAE gross) and 340lb-ft of torque. Even with a 3-speed push button automatic pushing 3300 lbs, there wasn't much that could outrun it in the high school parking lot.

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I don’t think it’s unreasonable or unrealistic at all to want a more powerful engine in the 86. It’s not a dangerously slow car, nothing sold in North America is. (Is the Smart car still sold here? Lol) But the twins are sports cars that should feel quicker IMO. If they cost a little more because of that it would be worth it. They should all have the Sachs dampers, Brembos, and MPS tires also. The only people who buy this car are enthusiasts, with some exceptions I’m sure. So why doesn’t Toyota/Subaru embrace that?



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In addition to Tcoat's point (which matches my observations completely), not all enthusiasts have $35k to put into a sports car. There is a large difference between $25 and $35k. You'd see a lot less Mustangs and Camaros driving around if they only came with a V8 and the respective track packages.
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Old 10-29-2019, 07:02 PM   #207
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Hey, thanks I was wondering what happened to that photo from Homecoming.
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Most car enthusiasts I know modify because we like to tinker If I wanted something with power I wouldn't have bought a twin that's for sure.
Eh.. I'm not modifying my Camaro for more power. I am the FRS.
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