Really, which is faster AT vs MT?

[Ernest72]

Originally Posted by Sapphireho

No, they are not.

It’s still fun. Have you driven a PDK and downshifted, it’s fun even if it takes no skill at all other than hitting a paddle. Sounds great too.

Even the tip can be fun on a back twisty road. But once you go PDK, it would be tough to go back to a tip for spirited driving.

[Sapphireho]

Oh don't get me wrong guys, I'm a manual guy. The only way I would prefer a PDK is if I was getting paid for lap times, and I'm not that good. Way prefer the third pedal for fun. All 3 of My sports cars are MT.

My point was every time these stupid MT vs. AT threads come up, guys start talking like the AT in their $10k Subaru is the same as PDKs in super cars. They are not.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Ernest72

It’s still fun. Have you driven a PDK and downshifted, it’s fun even if it takes no skill at all other than hitting a paddle. Sounds great too.

Even the tip can be fun on a back twisty road. But once you go PDK, it would be tough to go back to a tip for spirited driving.

It’s still meh. I didn’t get any more enjoyment from shifting a PDK equipped Cayman S then I did a slush box FRS.

[CincyJohn]

Originally Posted by Ernest72

I never tried to convince anyone, just saying what the market is doing. Let’s wait and see the breakdown of AT vs MT for the second Gen. I believe there will be more MT, but there will be a bunch on AT as well.

I will admit that over 25 years on forums this has to be about my 200th MT vs AT thread discussing the same issue. Never changes.

Thou doth protest too much.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Sapphireho

My point was every time these stupid MT vs. AT threads come up, guys start talking like the AT in their $10k Subaru is the same as PDKs in super cars. They are not.

Right. One is an automatic and the other is a stupidly expensive automatic. I'd much rather have a crash box with a real clutch for the lulz.

[Sapphireho]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Right. One is an automatic and the other is a stupidly expensive automatic. I'd much rather have a crash box with a real clutch for the lulz.

Of course.

[PorscheUnlimited16]

Modern porsches are mated to the Pdk first and foremost. The manuals are the same pdk tranny converted into manual thereafter.
People that don’t own porches won’t understand how awesome the pdk is. I’m on my 2nd and third Porsche and went with the Pdk 3/3 times. I still love Manual as much as the next guy and do have multiple deposits on a Manual Gr.
The twins are imo built around the manual and is best showcased in Mt. The autos will work just fine for auto drivers but will bring the experience of the drive down by a notch or two.

[CincyJohn]

Originally Posted by PorscheUnlimited16

Modern porsches are mated to the Pdk first and foremost. The manuals are the same pdk tranny converted into manual thereafter.
People that don’t own porches won’t understand how awesome the pdk is. I’m on my 2nd and third Porsche and went with the Pdk 3/3 times. I still love Manual as much as the next guy and do have multiple deposits on a Manual Gr.
The twins are imo built around the manual and is best showcased in Mt. The autos will work just fine for auto drivers but will bring the experience of the drive down by a notch or two.

Wow - both condescending and completely wrong in the same post. You aren’t a manual guy if you don’t buy only manuals. You are an auto guy who can drive a manual - not the same thing.

[Dzmitry]

Originally Posted by CincyJohn

Wow - both condescending and completely wrong in the same post. You aren’t a manual guy if you don’t buy only manuals. You are an auto guy who can drive a manual - not the same thing.

I think in some sense you are pushing your point to a bit of an extreme. I do understand where you're coming from, but I think you're really trying to DEFINE a "manual guy" and an "auto guy". I think there's more categories out there than just those two, and people here are making an example of it. He didn't exactly say he was a manual guy, just simply that he loves them. It seems more like he has a balance of interest for a vehicle mated with its best designed transmission so to speak. He likes the PDK in a Porsche because... well that's where all the money went into for best shifts/performance. He likes the MT in a twin because that's what this type of car was best designed for.

But you're right, he's not the "manual guy" you say you are. And nor do I think he's trying to claim that status.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Again, which minivan goes 0-60 in 5.6s?

Mercedes-Benz R 63 AMG. 0-60 in 4.6seconds.

Anything else I could find was >7 seconds.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Mercedes-Benz R 63 AMG. 0-60 in 4.6seconds.

Anything else I could find was >7 seconds.

Thanks. The minivan argument is so tired.

I have yet to see an R Class IRL (let alone an AMG), so I’m not worried about getting chopped by one at a light at this point. Is it even a minivan? It’s a wagon as far as I’m concerned.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by PorscheUnlimited16

Modern porsches are mated to the Pdk first and foremost. The manuals are the same pdk tranny converted into manual thereafter.
People that don’t own porches won’t understand how awesome the pdk is. I’m on my 2nd and third Porsche and went with the Pdk 3/3 times. I still love Manual as much as the next guy and do have multiple deposits on a Manual Gr.
The twins are imo built around the manual and is best showcased in Mt. The autos will work just fine for auto drivers but will bring the experience of the drive down by a notch or two.

Slow down with the humblebrag gate keeping bro. I’ve driven plenty of PDKs and other DCTs (BMW, VW). For a sports car none of them get close to a proper manual.

If you like driving as a sensation, even the best DCT doesn’t come close to the twins’ manual. It’s not about speed. It’s about absolute control of every aspect of the shift. It’s about feeling the synchro spin up when you lean into a gate, then feel it slot in when it matches the layshaft speed. It’s about feeding the power to the wheels in a quick, but controlled and proportional fashion. Do it wrong and you bog down or spin a wheel too much.

A paddle will never let you do that.

Does the Gordon Murray T50 have a DCT? It’s literally the only car that’s so good they don’t even bother with a spec sheet.
No it doesn’t.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Sapphireho

My point was every time these stupid MT vs. AT threads come up, guys start talking like the AT in their $10k Subaru is the same as PDKs in super cars. They are not.

I don't see this.
What they are saying is that it is a purpose built tranny and not an old Powerglide or the same as mom's base Corolla. It is quite suitable for their $27,000 Subaru.
It is ironic that there are far fewer issues reported with the AT in these cars than the MTs.
Hell, SOME people actually have a spare MT in their garage "just in case".

These threads are stupid more due to the "MT is magical and if you don't drive one you are a moron" attitude that so many like to exhibit than the actual nature of either tranny.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Thanks. The minivan argument is so tired.

I have yet to see an R Class IRL (let alone an AMG), so I’m not worried about getting chopped by one at a light at this point. Is it even a minivan? It’s a wagon as far as I’m concerned.

A minivan will smoke many cars for about the first 50 feet. It has nothing to do with power nor 0 to 60 times. It is because they are geared so low to get the bulk moving that for initial take off they will indeed get a jump on you. After that initial boost of torque however they just lay down and die.