Sold my 2016 Scion FR-S

[Cal3000]

Originally Posted by mrg666

I haven't seen an AT FR-S tested properly for 0-60. Every reviewer I have seen tested it to make it look bad. Many forum members are just throwing random numbers. But you just broke new ground here with 8 seconds. Whatever.

Plenty of youtube videos with auto frs running 0-60. It makes sense. They can't launch and the torque kills it.

[HachiRokuX]

Originally Posted by Cal3000

Plenty of youtube videos with auto frs running 0-60. It makes sense. They can't launch and the torque kills it.

That Auto 86 vs Chrysler Pacifica Video had it at 8.5 seconds. And I think Car and Driver tested the 2017 version for like 8.0 seconds recently.


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[mrg666]

Originally Posted by damnitBobby

Thanks.

BTW, do you feel accomplished after beating a V6 accord?

I guess it's all a matter of perspective. I've had cars with engines that really "scream", and unfortunately the motor in the FRS wasn't one of them.

Not accomplished but "relieved" by eliminating an idiot tailgating right before a sharp curve. An Accord can never take curves as fast as an FR-S.

There are of course personal perspectives. And here is an article by Wards Auto when FA20 was awarded.
http://wardsauto.com/technology/suba...dohc-h-4-boxer

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Cal3000

Auto and manual are very similar in a roll.
I love my FRS, but in reality, the lack of torque hurts it real bad where it actually counts on the road.
My low torque boosted frs is great. I have far better power weight ratio than a V8 camaro or any typical American V8, but literally can't gain any significant ground on them below 85mph but can dominate anything above that. But my legal safe usable power is useless. lol

OK one last time.
Mustangs and Camaros do NOT make up 90% of the cars on the road they make up around .000002%. They will kick your ass. The majority of the cars on the road (driven by Joe and Jill Average) will not.

[Jegan_V]

Originally Posted by Cal3000

A Corolla will give the FRS trouble on a straight. From a roll, you probably wont get to far bottom end at all. Maybe until you get over 80mph. I drove rental Focus, Corollas, Elantras and their gearing makes up for their 140-170 hp. A Corolla has very close to the same passing power as a stock Twin.

Sorry I call utter total BS.

I've driven plenty of Corollas, Focus and Elantras even flat out even given an advantage the Corolla will lose badly. I drive fleet cars for a living and there's no way these including the Elantra and normal Focus are even worth mentioning as being even half decent in acceleration. Next you're going to tell me the Prius is somehow faster. The mainstream midsize sedans are a lot faster than the NA compacts and they're also not in the same vein as the 86 in speed.

To say the 86 doesn't accel in acceleration is true. To say the FRS doesn't at all feel fast, that's very true. To claim the 86 will have trouble with a Corolla, sorry but that's pure dishonesty.

[Cal3000]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

OK one last time.
Mustangs and Camaros do NOT make up 90% of the cars on the road they make up around .000002%. They will kick your ass. The majority of the cars on the road (driven by Joe and Jill Average) will not.

We are not talking about kicking ass. lol
I gave a comparison about my FRS which has a better power weight ratio than stock V8s but lack explosive passing power vs the because of the lack of torque.
Likewise, the frs lacks passing power against any eco box. Like I said before, you will have to cover a lot of ground in order to pass any eco box accelerating against you in order to pass them.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Cal3000

We are not talking about kicking ass. lol
I gave a comparison about my FRS which has a better power weight ratio than stock V8s but lack explosive passing power vs the because of the lack of torque.
Likewise, the frs lacks passing power against any eco box. Like I said before, you will have to cover a lot of ground in order to pass any eco box accelerating against you in order to pass them.

Oh I feel so sad for you that this is your reality.

[Cal3000]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Oh I feel so sad for you that this is your reality.

an FRS takes 3.4-4.0 seconds from 50-70 top rev range.
A Corolla can do it in 5.3 second. If you were behind a corolla with an FRS trying to get around it and he decides to speed up with you at that same instant, by the time you get up to 70, you are still going to be behind him. You are going to have to cover a lot of ground just to pass him. In LA traffic, you will never get past him before you reach the rear end of the car in front of you cursing the speed limit.

[Somerandom18]

This passing shit boggles my mind. Every day I highway it to work and every day I'm confused. Like for real. Do you ever go above 5k RPMs?

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[Cal3000]

Originally Posted by Jegan_V

Sorry I call utter total BS.

I've driven plenty of Corollas, Focus and Elantras even flat out even given an advantage the Corolla will lose badly. I drive fleet cars for a living and there's no way these including the Elantra and normal Focus are even worth mentioning as being even half decent in acceleration. Next you're going to tell me the Prius is somehow faster. The mainstream midsize sedans are a lot faster than the NA compacts and they're also not in the same vein as the 86 in speed.

To say the 86 doesn't accel in acceleration is true. To say the FRS doesn't at all feel fast, that's very true. To claim the 86 will have trouble with a Corolla, sorry but that's pure dishonesty.

A prius will keep up well 0-30. Under real world conditions, lets say you want to jump in front of a prius from a stop light and he decides he doesn't want to let you through and you have a short distance to travel, you aint going nowhere. lol.
A manual with real world conditions without a hard launch, you are hitting 60 mph in 8 second. In auto, you are hitting 60 mph in 8 seconds. A prius will hit 60 in a little over 9 and a half seconds. You are not going to jump in front of a prius in any short distance.

[totopo]

Originally Posted by damnitBobby

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For reference some of my previous sporty cars:
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2002 Honda S2000
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Alright now the Likes:

The car handles better than anything I've owned.
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[mrg666]

This thread got stuck between 0 and 60 again. I've seen in several other discussions. For some drivers, apparently, the single most important feature is 0-60. This is a sports car that requires driver's effort and skill to extract the performance. If you are complaining about performance compared to Corolla, you are not the driver for this car. If you care so much about drag performance this car is not for you. Wrong car, wrong driver.

[wireman957]

Originally Posted by Cal3000

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A manual with real world conditions without a hard launch, you are hitting 60 mph in 8 second. In auto, you are hitting 60 mph in 8 seconds. A prius will hit 60 in a little over 9 and a half seconds. You are not going to jump in front of a prius in any short distance.

Perhaps you should have planned ahead better so as to eliminate the need to "jump in front of" anyone. Or do you not see that as being rude and potentially dangerous?

[nikitopo]

I don't have any issue to pass 90% of the available cars. I don't have any issue to keep up with some strong family (heavy) cars or other sport cars close to my price range (*). I don't have any issue to chase even some exotic cars, cause of ordinary traffic. Here is an example:

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSAuYru02JA"][StreetLive] AMG GTS vs autobahn / chasing - YouTube[/ame]



(*) price range including modifications