2020 Toyota GR Supra Revealed!

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

So much this? That a joke? A lighter smaller car will always be less safe than a heavier larger car. But sports cars are sports cars, not purchased for being bank vaults.

Nobody buys a 2800 lb car to be safe. If that was someone's primary concern then they would buy a 4000 lb CUV. All modern vehicles sold in 2020, even the ones with 1 star crash ratings, are ridiculously safe.

I personally would only consider buying cars that at least have a decent rating.



That's also one hell of an opinion. So no one is buying 2020 Civics because they are safe, while also being reliable, 4 door etc? No, not one person buys a Civic because of a safety rating, people only buy them because Vtec bro(which is gone). Even the 86 has a good safety rating, and this WILL definitely affect potential buyers when looking at this car.



And in what world would a sane person consider a 1 star crash rating vehicle as "ridiculously safe"? What are you comparing that to? A 60's Impala, or something, virtually anything with a over waist ONLY seat belt, you know the ones that would cut people in half in an accident.


People are concerned with safety now, get over it.

[WolfpackS2k]

People are concerned with safety now, get over it.

Ah yes, unless they have to actually put forth effect to be safe themselves. Which they don't.

Most don't care. They're lazy.

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by iLuveKetchup

When will the Supra get a proper dual clutch transmission?

something i found on our sister site.

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/fut...19x58td7.4776/

[iLuveKetchup]

Originally Posted by gymratter

something i found on our sister site.

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/fut...19x58td7.4776/

Just read through it.. possibly a new 7speed dual clutch in the works? One can dream. On another note, the current GT4 car unfortunately has an automatic transmission not a dual clutch.

[BA9092]

Seems like Toyota is positioning the Supra as the automotive iPhone; with vast improvements ensuing buyer's remorse on semi-annual basis with each forthcoming model.

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by BA9092

Seems like Toyota is positioning the Supra as the automotive iPhone; with vast improvements ensuing buyer's remorse on semi-annual basis with each forthcoming model.

Welcome to the world of German cars.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

So Mazda, a company of limited means, can manage to keep the Miata the same size/weight as it was 30 years ago. But Porsche cannot with their 911?

Sorry, that's BS. Instead they're using the 911 to fill the gap that used to be done by the 911 + 928. If the 928 still existed the 911 wouldn't be so bloated.

To be fair, if the 928 still existed the 911 wouldn't exist today.

Porsche was going to kill it decades ago... but P-Car fans......

911 is so much larger because of safety and the Cayman/Boxster fill in the smaller size. And superior dynamics if you can get over not owning a 911

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

911 is so much larger because of safety and the Cayman/Boxster fill in the smaller size. And superior dynamics if you can get over not owning a 911

The Miata has to meet safety regs too, and it's barely 100 lb. heavier than when the 1990 NA was introduced. Likewise the FT86 is precisely a modern S13 240SX, and weighs barely if any more. Meanwhile a modern 911 is visibly MUCH bulkier than a 1990 and is 400-500 lb. heavier. I don't think it got there because "safety". It got there by becoming a much bigger and more luxurious car.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by ZDan

The Miata has to meet safety regs too, and it's barely 100 lb. heavier than when the 1990 NA was introduced. Likewise the FT86 is precisely a modern S13 240SX, and weighs barely if any more. Meanwhile a modern 911 is visibly MUCH bulkier than a 1990 and is 400-500 lb. heavier. I don't think it got there because "safety". It got there by becoming a much bigger and more luxurious car.

I think, it's both safety AND luxury that adds Posche's weight. Miata & 86 are both lightweight cars... but if you compared stock performance, they don't come near 911 (also price tag lol). To perform in top performance, it need chassis reinforcement, suspension, engine, transmission engineering needing to be more advance and required to be advance to keep driver and passenger safely on the road. Can't be like Mustang or other Muscle cars just adding power and put Brembos and call it good (add Mustang meme here lol). Now, cuz of price tag, there's always rich ppl wanting luxury shit on sports car. Which adding pointless stuff making it heavier than it need.

[iLuveKetchup]

Size is getting out of hand when a (981 & 718) Cayman GT4 is bigger than a 996 GT3 (best one IMO).

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by ZDan

The Miata has to meet safety regs too, and it's barely 100 lb. heavier than when the 1990 NA was introduced. Likewise the FT86 is precisely a modern S13 240SX, and weighs barely if any more. Meanwhile a modern 911 is visibly MUCH bulkier than a 1990 and is 400-500 lb. heavier. I don't think it got there because "safety". It got there by becoming a much bigger and more luxurious car.

A miata from 1990 is a bit different than a 911 from 1965 or whatever, which is basically what it was until the 996. Since then, which was what, 24 years, it's grown a whole 4 inches in length and about 400lbs in weight. So it's grown more than the Miata but it's also become a FAR more capable car than the base 996 also with much heavier components. (I mean the Miata is more capable too I guess.. but.. different league in terms of performance)

So some safety and quite a bit more from performance. Luxury wise it hasn't changed all that much in 20 years.

And S chassis cars are just fat for their age. And they suck. I hope to never touch one again in my life lol

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

A miata from 1990 is a bit different than a 911 from 1965 or whatever, which is basically what it was until the 996.

The earlier 911s were a *lot* lighter than 1990. Hell, a 1970 911 (2250 lb) actually weighed about the same as a '90 NA Miata (2210 lb)! But then it gained more weight from then up to 1990 (3050 lb) than it has since then...

Since then, which was what, 24 years, it's grown a whole 4 inches in length and about 400lbs in weight. So it's grown more than the Miata but it's also become a FAR more capable car than the base 996 also with much heavier components. (I mean the Miata is more capable too I guess.. but.. different league in terms of performance)

It was the same kind of "different league" in 1990 as now. 83mph vs. 106mph in the 1/4 then, 95mph vs. 125mph in the 1/4 now.

So some safety and quite a bit more from performance. Luxury wise it hasn't changed all that much in 20 years.

Then they just suck at evolving cars. Miata only gained ~6% mass while also improving safety and performance vs. 1990 vs. 911. Likewise the FT86 has similarly improved performance and safety vs. 1990 S13 240SX at ~0% mass gain.

And S chassis cars are just fat for their age. And they suck. I hope to never touch one again in my life lol

S13? I loved my '91. S14 was kinda meh though... Even for the time they were not considered fat/heavy. Then as now I would have greatly preferred a more cab-rearward, shorter-wheelbase, lighter-weight 2-seat version though.

[gymratter]

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/03/16/...-homologation/

Deliveries to customers begin immediately

The Toyota GR Supra GT4 is finally ready to hit the track in an official series capacity. After extensive testing by European motorsport company Stéphane Ratel Organisation (SRO), the Supra completed the last stages of homologation and is now eligible for a variety of races across Europe. The first customer deliveries are expected to begin immediately.

The new Supra GT4 debuted in concept form in March 2019 and showed its production-ready face a few months later. Technically, the GT4 has already raced, but that was for the Nürburgring 24 Hours.

The GT4 is equipped with a turbocharged 3.0-liter inline-six that makes 430 horsepower and 479 lb-ft of torque, and Toyota notes there are "different power sticks available to comply with Balance of Performance (BoP)." That engine pairs with a paddle-shift seven-speed automatic, and power goes to the rear wheels. Toyota lists a weight of 2,976 pounds, much less than the Supra road car's curb weight of 3,397 pounds.

In addition to the carbon fiber aero kit, the GT4 car has a number of performance upgrades and tweaks. It has a Magneti Marelli ECU, a motorsport-spec limited-slip differential, an upgraded GKN Motorsport driveshaft, an Akrapovič racing exhaust system, Brembo brakes, KW adjustable racing dampers, 18-inch OZ wheels, and Pirelli rubber. For safety purposes, it has an ATL FT3 safety fuel cell, an FIA-approved roll cage, and an OMP racing seat with a six-point safety harness.

Because demand was so high, the first round of GT4 cars has already been sold out. Germany-based Ring Racing has purchased two cars with intentions to race in the ADAC GT4 Germany championship, France-based CMR will take one car to the European GT4 Series and another to the French GT4 Series, and United Kingdom-based Speedworks Motorsport will take a Supra to the British GT Series.

Orders have been taken for the next round of cars, and Toyota plans to deliver that batch in the summer.

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[Atmo]

The Supra 4 is looking better by the day. Of course the world has changed so it may not arrive when expected but think this will become more popular than haters believe. This could become the 86 v.2.0 so many have wanted should the base price be <$40K before incentives.

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/tgs...pra-drifts-too