Can hellaflush be done "right"

[mastawyrm]

Originally Posted by WingsofWar

^ beautiful wheels and tire sizes. I personally would have gone a bit lower in stance to improve the aesthetics of the car. But that fitment is spot on.

I disagree, I think its perfect because the gap is exactly the same all the way round from the front to the top to the back of the wheel well. Equidistant is always perfect aesthetics IMO

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by RRnold

Nice setup! Personally, I would go also lowered it a bit more, reducing that the wheel gap.

Something similar to this.

^^Awesome. Hate the aero on the car, but love the stance

[Draco-REX]

To be fair, I didn't go flush for looks. I did it to fit 255s under the fenders. That car is all suspension and maximizing street grip. So the ride height is on purpose. It's low enough to improve the handling without moving the suspension into a range that hurts the handling. The addiional front drop moves the roll centers, comparatively, into a range that helps counter the designed in understeer.

So it's form following function.

[RWDJunkie]

I prefer the fitment on the black WRX. That's my kind of wheel 'n tire setup.

Originally Posted by RRnold

For LSxJunkie! :happy0180:

Now as far as stretch goes, I think the FD's stretch is excessive while the Corvette has the right amount.

[Doric]

Originally Posted by RWDJunkie

I prefer the fitment on the black WRX. That's my kind of wheel 'n tire setup.

Now as far as stretch goes, I think the FD's stretch is excessive while the Corvette has the right amount.

Agreed on all accounts.

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by Draco-REX

To be fair, I didn't go flush for looks. I did it to fit 255s under the fenders. That car is all suspension and maximizing street grip. So the ride height is on purpose. It's low enough to improve the handling without moving the suspension into a range that hurts the handling. The addiional front drop moves the roll centers, comparatively, into a range that helps counter the designed in understeer.

So it's form following function.

I agree if that car is on the track at least 80% of the time. Why dial in a suspension for the street?

[Doric]

Originally Posted by RRnold

I agree if that car is on the track at least 80% of the time. Why dial in a suspension for the street?

I can't speak for anyone but myself on this, but I'm very concerned about my suspension setup and how it handles on the street.

I don't spend a lot of time on the track - and surely never on a road course with my current toy - but every time I get frisky with it on the street, I think it's going to kill me.

Almost 700rwhp on 275-series tires.

[LSxJunkie]

Originally Posted by RRnold

I agree if that car is on the track at least 80% of the time. Why dial in a suspension for the street?

A lot of people double duty their cars. And they're rather have the car set up for the track and live with it on the street than have it look good on the street and drive around the suspension on the track.

[Draco-REX]

Originally Posted by RRnold

I agree if that car is on the track at least 80% of the time. Why dial in a suspension for the street?

A couple reasons. I wanted a suspension that would carve corners on the street and wouldn't hold me back if when I take it to an AutoX or Track day. Now I could go with a dedicated AutoX or Track setup, but it'd beat the hell out of me on the street and wouldn't corner worth a damn on rough public roads. (bounciness is NOT good for handling)

Street performance is important to me also because I sometimes head down to Hocking Hills, OH and the Triple Nickel (Rt. 555). The Hocking Hills area is just rife with tight twisty roads and 55mph speed limits and 555 is Ohio's Tail of the Dragon (which I plan to visit this year).

It's whole different ball of wax to set up a car for street performance, but it was a lot of fun to do. Part way through my build, my front sway was too big for the street because I could feel the inside tire skipping across the ripples in the pavement at the apex of turns. After finishing it isn't as much of an issue. And that came dow to slight changes in geometry.

On roads like the Triple Nickel, I'll put my car with a mild drop and struts against anything slammed on coilovers with stupidly high spring rates any day. And I'll finish the day with less back pain too.

To me, suspension tuning is so much more interesting than engine tuning.

[LSxJunkie]

The world needs more of this. That is the most stretch I think I'd ever run.

[FR-Sizzle]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

Right, but this still looks and handles like hammered dogshit.

Lol sorry to bump this thread but I just had to respond since this is my friends s2000. He doesnt own it anymore but he was the one who had it painted that color before he got his Silvia S15...

His old red s2000 and s15 both have been featured in import tuner after he sold them and other well known magazines. Wouldnt be surprised if he had other cars that were features also.

Hes really well known on s2ki forums and probably was one of the first few people to start doing that hella flush stuff on s2000s back in 2004~. His current build is a custom wide body s2000 that is being done by Fast. He goes by silentdancer on s2ki and use to be a mod on those forums until he joined the navy if im not mistaken. He goes through wheels like how a person goes through shoes. Hes had like 3-5 cars since his first s2000. JDM RHD RSX Type R, EVO, multiple s2000s, M3, and now back to an s2000. Check out his build thread at the bottom of this post which has pictures of his old cars too. They all look very clean. But you will never catch me doing that hella flush stuff. Furthest I would go is slamming the car not extreme amounts of camber or anything.

Here is a picture of the car when he had it.




His S15

Originally Posted by Ryuu0u

If i'm not mistaken that S2k is bagged which is a waste imo.
Another thing about this hellaflush is that it's cool to have messed up body work due to your setup? So in turn having a crappy looking car is cool?
I'd rock a flush VIP car though. Let's also address what the hell "stance" is because that crap confuses me also as to what it is.

I love the Z and vette above though, proper fitment that looks performance oriented.

It isnt on bags. Its my friends old car before he sold it for an s15. Sold the S15 and bought another s2000 which is now getting custom work done by FAST.

And here is his current build, a custom widebody s2000. Still in the process of getting it done. But its going to look mean when it is complete. Google silentdancer and you will see a ton of his builds on various forums
http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/9786...-build-thread/

[TylerLieberman]

The "hellaflush" thing is a subjective matter. Most people do it because of the way it looks. Some people like it, some people don't. Most examples I see from the nay-sayers post extreme examples. 215s on 10.5j wheels with -8 camber and rolled/pulled to shit fenders with no suspension travel whatsoever.

There are cars out there, that achieve the same fitment without being so extreme.

Originally Posted by ebphoto

18x9.5 +25 _ 225/40 federal ss595

Yes the tires are stretched. Yes the car is low. Yes there is camber the fenders are modified accordingly to fit but this is a much better example than some of the ones I've seen posted.

People will sit there and say that we can't even drive our cars like this because it's not functional at all. I still see numerous cars everywhere this low and lower that function well enough to have fun on the street/track and look good while doing it. Would the car have more grip if it ran wider tires? Sure. Would the car be more functional if it were a bit higher? Possibly. Would it perform better with smaller wheels in general? Probably.

But the car was built to his taste. One of the biggest things people rave about the car is how easy it is to slide. Not a lot of grip on the rear tires. Some of us want to keep that aspect but still want to obtain a specific look, which is why we change the wheels/height accordingly. If we bumped up to a 255 on the rear on the larger wheels, a lot of that character would be gone. There would be so much more grip.

Some of us don't want to constantly change wheels either. I have 17x9 RPF1s coming in and am still staying with 215/45s for it. The car still only makes 160whp. Once the power has been increased from various changes, I'll be able to step up in tire size (probably a 235/40) and still be able to keep the same wheels.

My car is lower than some people might like, and my tire/wheel fitment and alignment may not be to everybody's liking, but when I'm on the track having fun enjoying my setup, for some reason, I seem to not give a flying fuck about anybody else's opinion.

It is what it is. People build cars for certain reasons. Some people want pure function. Some people are willing to compromise a bit of that for particular taste. It'll always be that way. Hellaflush isn't going anywhere though. It was around long before the internet bandwagon sensation took off.

"No matter how hard you try, you can't stop us now"

[DylanFRS]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Hellaflush isn't going anywhere though. It was around long before the internet bandwagon sensation took off.

I don't know about that. It is still a trend and like all trends, people will move on to something else at some point.

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by DylanFRS

I don't know about that. It is still a trend and like all trends, people will move on to something else at some point.

The only thing I can see happening is all of the media coverage from all types of events being those types of cars. The hype will die down, and some people will move on. But there some people who will stay all for it and the cars will still be there