Best Turbo kit for stock engine? As of 2018... - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Conman · 12-25-2018, 02:28 PM

What’s the safest turbo kit to run on stock engine? I want to run E85 flex fuel. Wondering what to budget for parts + install. Thanks.

Kiske · 12-25-2018, 04:03 PM

A supercharger

Grady · 12-25-2018, 04:17 PM

Any kit is “safe” if tuned correct. However if you can not afford a blown engine you may not want to. A blown engine is possible with any kit.

Conman · 12-25-2018, 04:32 PM

I Don’t like the superchargers. I will build the engine if and when it happens... The MAP kit looks pretty nice. They also offer just the hot parts kit. Is there a better set up for the stock engine I could piece together?

J1Avs · 12-25-2018, 05:03 PM

PTuning’s Kit. You’ll probably spend the most on it with all the accessories, but definitely the most comprehensive.

Conman · 12-25-2018, 05:31 PM

That kit looks great and I know the Vband is big plus. Would the larger 3076 turbo be better or worse for a daily driver than the precision 4831?

Kiske · 12-25-2018, 10:00 PM

There is zero reason for anything that big on the stock if your going for safety, all your doing is getting lag for no reward on low boost. 2867 is already more than capable at 400whp.

DearDiaryJackpot · 12-25-2018, 10:13 PM

I would go with map because of the ewg. I know ptuning has it as an option but with the $2.5k in difference , you can buy an AIG motor and be worry free.

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mistople · 12-25-2018, 10:51 PM

There is no singular best kit. I'd recommend searching & doing some more research to determine what your requirements are and work backwards from there.

Does best mean most efficient heat management? Spool time? Cost?

toast · 12-26-2018, 02:38 PM

You have given zero parameters for what is best. Your first sentence included 'safest'. Your second said E-85. Any turbo kit run 8 psi on E-85 will generate enough power to run a serious risk of bending the connecting rods. Then you said you will build the motor if it blows, so you don't really care about safe.

If you really want the 'safest' (and have to have a turbo)I would recommend an AVO stage 1 kit NOT running E-85. While you enjoy that you can build a new short block with pistons and rods and get the bigger injectors you will need for E-85 and then look at stage 3. If you need more than the 400 hp that gets you can pull that kit off and sell it and then go nuts.

If you go big right away (which I have to assume is a terrible car for a daily driver with lag and all) and snap a con rod shards of metal can go through the oil system and destroy your valvetrain. A short block is cheap. A long block is very much not. I did this on my STI; learn from my stupidity.

Grady · 12-26-2018, 04:33 PM

I would have to 2nd on the AVO kit for a daily. I am running e85 at 8 psi. I do like how soon the turbo kicks in. Getting 6psi at 3400, 8 at 3800. We ran a 10 psi map and I beleive it got there at 4000 rpm. However with the smaller/stock exhaust it will taper back down between 7 and 8 at redline.

CSG Mike · 12-26-2018, 05:11 PM

Safest? GReddy. Runs the lowest boost. Still 300+whp on ethanol at just 7 psi.

Conman · 12-28-2018, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DearDiaryJackpot

I would go with map because of the ewg. I know ptuning has it as an option but with the $2.5k in difference , you can buy an AIG motor and be worry free.

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Is this what your talking about? Seems like the thing to do. So that would be like $3000 for the built engine +the labor to swap it withyour stock engine. Thinking I will probably save up the extra money to do the built block. You guys scared me away with all the" you will blow your block" talk. Are people were having issues with the manifold rubbing on the oil pan on the MAP kit?

https://www.maperformance.com/produc...kaAlPhEALw_wcB

DearDiaryJackpot · 12-29-2018, 08:17 AM

https://www.iagperformance.com/IAG-S...g-eng-1209.htm
This is the motor I’m talking about. They have 6 options. And if you want it bulletproof, do a closed deck and DO what ever they tell you to do, if you listen to anybody else, you will loose the engine. I haven’t look at the manifold rubbing issue.

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12-25-2018, 02:28 PM	#1
Conman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Drives: Red FRS Location: Minnesota Posts: 130 Thanks: 163 Thanked 73 Times in 36 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Best Turbo kit for stock engine? As of 2018... What’s the safest turbo kit to run on stock engine? I want to run E85 flex fuel. Wondering what to budget for parts + install. Thanks.

12-25-2018, 04:03 PM	#2
Kiske Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Drives: RX-7 / BRZ Location: USA Posts: 2,343 Thanks: 1,026 Thanked 2,501 Times in 1,081 Posts Mentioned: 27 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	A supercharger __________________ //2013 World Rally Blue BRZ Limited FBM Turbo--gone //2018 Crystal White Pearl BRZ Ts 2.2l Harrop Supercharged

12-25-2018, 10:00 PM	#7
Kiske Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Drives: RX-7 / BRZ Location: USA Posts: 2,343 Thanks: 1,026 Thanked 2,501 Times in 1,081 Posts Mentioned: 27 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	There is zero reason for anything that big on the stock if your going for safety, all your doing is getting lag for no reward on low boost. 2867 is already more than capable at 400whp. __________________ //2013 World Rally Blue BRZ Limited FBM Turbo--gone //2018 Crystal White Pearl BRZ Ts 2.2l Harrop Supercharged

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12-25-2018, 04:32 PM	#4
Conman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Drives: Red FRS Location: Minnesota Posts: 130 Thanks: 163 Thanked 73 Times in 36 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I Don’t like the superchargers. I will build the engine if and when it happens... The MAP kit looks pretty nice. They also offer just the hot parts kit. Is there a better set up for the stock engine I could piece together?

12-25-2018, 05:03 PM	#5
J1Avs Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Drives: 2018 BRZ tS Location: Northern VA Posts: 396 Thanks: 239 Thanked 232 Times in 125 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	PTuning’s Kit. You’ll probably spend the most on it with all the accessories, but definitely the most comprehensive.

12-25-2018, 05:31 PM	#6
Conman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Drives: Red FRS Location: Minnesota Posts: 130 Thanks: 163 Thanked 73 Times in 36 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	That kit looks great and I know the Vband is big plus. Would the larger 3076 turbo be better or worse for a daily driver than the precision 4831?

12-25-2018, 10:13 PM	#8
DearDiaryJackpot Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Drives: FRS Location: St Pete,FL Posts: 16 Thanks: 8 Thanked 10 Times in 6 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I would go with map because of the ewg. I know ptuning has it as an option but with the $2.5k in difference , you can buy an AIG motor and be worry free. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

12-25-2018, 10:51 PM	#9
mistople Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Drives: 2017 BRZ (Sold), 2023 GR86 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 618 Thanks: 376 Thanked 433 Times in 216 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	There is no singular best kit. I'd recommend searching & doing some more research to determine what your requirements are and work backwards from there. Does best mean most efficient heat management? Spool time? Cost?

12-26-2018, 02:38 PM	#10
toast Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Drives: 14 BSP Edelbrock BRZ Location: Lon Gisland Posts: 806 Thanks: 113 Thanked 450 Times in 256 Posts Mentioned: 12 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	You have given zero parameters for what is best. Your first sentence included 'safest'. Your second said E-85. Any turbo kit run 8 psi on E-85 will generate enough power to run a serious risk of bending the connecting rods. Then you said you will build the motor if it blows, so you don't really care about safe. If you really want the 'safest' (and have to have a turbo)I would recommend an AVO stage 1 kit NOT running E-85. While you enjoy that you can build a new short block with pistons and rods and get the bigger injectors you will need for E-85 and then look at stage 3. If you need more than the 400 hp that gets you can pull that kit off and sell it and then go nuts. If you go big right away (which I have to assume is a terrible car for a daily driver with lag and all) and snap a con rod shards of metal can go through the oil system and destroy your valvetrain. A short block is cheap. A long block is very much not. I did this on my STI; learn from my stupidity.

12-26-2018, 05:11 PM	#12
CSG Mike Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: S2000 CR Location: Orange County Posts: 14,533 Thanks: 8,920 Thanked 14,179 Times in 6,835 Posts Mentioned: 966 Post(s) Tagged: 14 Thread(s)	Safest? GReddy. Runs the lowest boost. Still 300+whp on ethanol at just 7 psi.

12-29-2018, 08:17 AM	#14
DearDiaryJackpot Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Drives: FRS Location: St Pete,FL Posts: 16 Thanks: 8 Thanked 10 Times in 6 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	https://www.iagperformance.com/IAG-S...g-eng-1209.htm This is the motor I’m talking about. They have 6 options. And if you want it bulletproof, do a closed deck and DO what ever they tell you to do, if you listen to anybody else, you will loose the engine. I haven’t look at the manifold rubbing issue. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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