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Yes indeed. When someone doesn't take responsibility for their mistake, this is the only recourse left. Especially when he offered this sleeve solution and I asked him to guarantee me no negative geometry side effects, and he cut off communication with me. That doesn't sound like a good faith offer to me.
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If you're preloading the Flex A to the point where you're altering ride height, you've sacrificed all your droop travel for no reason. Use the independent height adjustment instead. Likewise, it's like trying to apply strut geometry to a double wishbone, or vice versa. |
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From 0 to 20 mm will increase the ride height by 20 mm. From 5 mm to 20 mm will increase the ride height by 15 mm. In order for extra preload to not affect the ride height you'll need something like 60 mm of preload to begin with. If you still don't believe that's true, just try it and see what happens. ... if you can correctly interpret the data. |
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There are cars with divorced springs, where preloading only drops the height, not raise. The data is only as good as the integrity and repeatability of the data. You can interpret it to reach whatever conclusion you like! |
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Minor self-correction: in the previous post I forgot to account for the motion ratio. 1mm of preload change ~= 0.95 ride height change in the front, or ~= 0.75 ride height change in the rear. |
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After a few months of driving, I can say that I am pleased with these coilovers. Coming from eibach prokit + stock shocks, they definitely improve ride quality at street/comfort setting which ride much much better. Personally I would never go for just lowering springs anymore on any of my car. Havent got a chance to track it yet so cant comment on that.
I do have a minor (i hope) issue with rear right strut where one time when i was adjusting the damping my son interrupted me and lost track of the click counts. So i decided to turn the adjuster clockwise all the way to the stiffest setting BUT it would not stop or resist clicking aka it can click infinitely! The other 3 struts didnt have this issue. At this point I think i had turned it more than 20 clicks or so from where i last lost the coint. So I figured i should stop and assume its already at the stiffest and turn it 11 clicks counterclockwise to get the comfort setting. Hopefully i didnt damage the strut. So far i dont find any indifference in ride quality.....yet. @CSG Mike @CSG David |
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Yeah i immediately stopped turning it clockwise when i felt a slight more resistance and assume that is at its stiffest setting. At this point I think i had turned it more than 30 clicks in total to find the slight resistance. Any way of knowing if i have damaged it?
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Flax A - Damper Adjustment more than 16 clicks CCW
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Regarding the more than 16 clicks of dumping adjustment on my flex As, I could not find any more details other than raw information across web. I know it has been discussed here and there, but could not trace any in depth explanation as to why I should not pass 16 clicks CCW (from full stiff). As per Tein, they use the same click knob on their race coilovers, thats why the knob can go more than 16 clicks. I know also that tein advises not go beyond 16 click CCW as can damage the needle valve setting. They also say that even though you can go further than 16 (27 in my case), only the 16 clicks actually adjust damping, rest do not do anything. So here come my questions: 1) Could you please explain to me what exactly is meant by "damage the needle valve setting"? How does this exactly affect the performance of the damper? Is this also considered a damage on the damper or affect its lifespan? 2) I have always felt that the 16 clicks CCW (full soft) are actually a little stiff. I would expect them a little softer on bumps. However, even though they say that there is no any actual damping adjustment beyond 16 clicks CCW, then why at 21 CCW set now I feel them so much softer? Would it feel softer because damper actually is not operating properly? Could you tell me how it is actually working in there? 3) Since I am a little concerned about this amount of stiffness at 16 clicks CCW, how can I check the actual performance of the dampers practically? Unfortunately, I cannot dyno them anywhere here in Greece to compare with original curves that tein UK already provided me. Coilovers have only 20k km. Many thanks in advance for your time |
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if you are getting less damping force beyond 16, then you've caused the calibration to become off. At 16 clicks from maximum damping, the car should be very soft and ride like a boat. Tein UK does not have the ability to sell CSG spec Flex A's. |
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