(GR86) Second Generation FR-S/BRZ insider info...

[StE92ve]

Originally Posted by Stonehorsw

I disagree, for me it may become a deal breaker, as my plan so far is to buy a sports car next year and use before MI winter. It may drive me to delay my plan, get a gen 1 or move to another platform.
This may also be the case of others.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

October is the very worst time to put a sports car out on the market for the bulk of the North America.

Exactly what I was saying...

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Or, you'll be able to get a good deal on it because they'll just be sitting on lots in the snow belt....

So it may be like a bad news, good news type of thing if they do wait until 10/21 to begin deliveries.

[alone1i]

Can we expect first year model can be bit buggy like 1st gen?

[JesseG]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

You can buy TRD performance wheels and upgraded tires from Toyota when you buy the car. They have loads of options. The thing is that you are not going to get them cheap so nobody ever does. TRD has pretty much an equivalent part for every STI one but again nobody wants to pay the price.
It seems like people expect the dealers to just give them away for the privilege of selling them the car.

Ehhhh, I wouldn’t say that STI and TRD are equivalent. At least not right now. Subaru’s STI division creates true performance cars. I don’t think the same can be said of TRD. I really like TRD parts, I have some on my car. It seems to me that Gazoo Racing is doing the performance stuff for Toyota now. TRD is more about appearance. Lexus has their F models, which I think are developed internally.


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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Baldeagle

There’s always the next gen 400Z. It’s supposed to be in showrooms by Spring 2021. With an estimated 400 hp, its obviously more of a Supra competitor than an 86 competitor. But unlike the Supra, the 400Z will offer a 6MT. Sadly, if people here hate the snout of the 2022 BRZ, they probably hate the looks of the 400Z even more. But it is an option if you are on a timetable.

Snout is the best description yet! The grill is fine. The hood line is fine (I would miss the fender bumps though). Even the shape is fine. What is not fine are the two weird shaped gapping holes of the vents. Surely they do not need to look like two leaf blower attachments stuck on the front of the car. They just scream "LOOK AT ME I SUCK"


The Z on the other hand goes to the other extreme with bland flat panels for a front bumper. Maybe they will put some fog lights or something in there to fill the open space a bit.


What I can't take even looking at are the art deco curves and angles of the front fender and that bloody stupid looking running board "areo". It matches nothing else on the car and looks like a half finished low end Rocket Bunny knock off. The rest of the car's conflicting lines and disjointed design looks like it was drawn up by a group of about 5 people in different rooms that had no idea what the others were doing.


The Z does have a bit of a funky warp in the rocker panel but at least most of it's lines work with each other in a far more cohesive manner. At least they got rid of those good awful massive door handles they loved for so long!



I would have no issue considering the Z except for one killing thing. It is a two seater only! I rarely ever use the back seat but when I do want to take another person (on a short trip only for obvious reasons) I need that seat back there.

[Blighty]

So while I know there are a LOT of ultimate performance fans here, I want to re-iterate something very important.

One of the BEST parts of having this car, which I assume is only improved with the new car is that you CAN put your foot down a lot of the time.

The more power you get, the less you can really do this outside of a racetrack. Outside of handling, we don't talk about about this often enough when talking about what makes the 86 and MX5 fun to drive.

I haven't driven it yet, but for me the gaps in this car have now seem fixed by the factory, and even that stock sound seems perfected - more more sports car like.

Potentially the perfect sports car for the common man.

[Tcoat]

WAIT! I found the design inspiration for those front fenders.

[JesseG]

Originally Posted by Baldeagle

There’s always the next gen 400Z. It’s supposed to be in showrooms by Spring 2021. With an estimated 400 hp, its obviously more of a Supra competitor than an 86 competitor. But unlike the Supra, the 400Z will offer a 6MT. Sadly, if people here hate the snout of the 2022 BRZ, they probably hate the looks of the 400Z even more. But it is an option if you are on a timetable.

I really dig the 400Z, everything about it. Except the white lettering on the tires. I’m not a fan of that trend. It belongs on race cars.


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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by JesseG

Ehhhh, I wouldn’t say that STI and TRD are equivalent. At least not right now. Subaru’s STI division creates true performance cars. I don’t think the same can be said of TRD. I really like TRD parts, I have some on my car. It seems to me that Gazoo Racing is doing the performance stuff for Toyota now. TRD is more about appearance. Lexus has their F models, which I think are developed internally.


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TRD is still 100% a performance division. Gazoo is a racing divison.
But ya they do seem to be slowly phasing TRD out of the picture.
Toyota has a performance car history going back to before Subaru even existed but they have been backing out of that for decades now. Subaru on the other hand has a big name in racing even though they are relatively new to it. Even they are slowly starting to get away from some of it.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by JesseG

I really dig the 400Z, everything about it. Except the white lettering on the tires. I’m not a fan of that trend. It belongs on race cars.


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That probably won't be a production thing anyway. If it is there are chemicals that would peel that of fast and easy.

[wbradley]

Here's the 4 door 400Z

[StE92ve]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

WAIT! I found the design inspiration for those front fenders.

But you have to admit, those headlights don't resemble those on the BRZ....

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by StE92ve

But you have to admit, those headlights don't resemble those on the BRZ....

Hey! Her eyes are up there.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Hey! Her eyes are up there.

My mistake, I thought your post was about boobs.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

My mistake, I thought your post was about boobs.

Not this time.