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Old 04-09-2021, 09:51 PM   #1513
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Shouldn't you be critical thinking about something?
You're speaking Klingon.
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There is distinct difference between playing devil's advocate and trolling. You and Tommy are simply trolls. It's not a function of feelings it's the hammering home of the adage about mudwrestling pigs. On the upside I now have a firm position on Vaccine Passports.
Well trolling I think is more purposefully trying to upset people, I'm not trying to get people angry I just want to keep the discussion going. Govt mandated vaccine passports on stuff that isn't even really fully understood, that's a bit extreme. I know you're trying to make a point but still. I think it's just as bad people claiming that the vaccine is like scientifically perfectly safe. It's simply not true. It has been tested, and it does work, but it's not without risk. And the claims that blocking one strain is going to prevent further mutations from that (or who knows what other viruses) I think might be a stretch too. Or is there actually some validity to that? I'm just saying you can push the science thing as a fallacy too even unintentionally if you're not careful. Besides is it really that wrong to play the bad guy if it gets people thinking? And I do honestly believe we need to take considerations this is a new frontier for humans and in the long run I think it will be great, but this is the first mass-scale mRNA run.. (regardless of whether it's been tested again and again). If they had their 95% chi statistical significance wouldn't it be FDA approved? Also forcing people to take a risk themselves for some else is also whole other philosophical question. Well some 40 year old gets a blood clot to save a 90 year old from the virus... maybe that's right maybe not..


P.S. (I do have a masters degree and took BIO101 l am no scientist but I understand the scientific method basics and I do believe in science).

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And the claims that blocking one strain is going to prevent further mutations from that (or who knows what other viruses) I think might be a stretch too. Or is there actually some validity to that?
Ok, why do you think that is a stretch? What else would mutate into a new strain?
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Exactly all about risk vs reward
Clearly not. The risks that come with catching covid are much worse than from getting a vaccine. And that's just risk to YOU. The risks others for you getting vaccinated are zero. The risks to others if you catch it are significant.


We all get vaccinated, we might actually beat this thing. Enough hold back (far fewer than currently saying no) and we're going to be here a long while. Wearing masks. Avoiding each other. Well, if we're doing those things...



So risk vs reward says get vaccinated.
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Old 04-09-2021, 10:50 PM   #1517
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As impressed as I am with your credentials, as far as I'm concerned you're still a troll.

Oh, I gots me sum edumacation, too.
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i thought some of you were vying for this weeks honor of top shitshow...
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He was mistaken.
*sigh* That's a fair cop.

Hope springs eternal. In the big picture, I think it comes down to making the courageous decision based on the science to date. I see vaccination as the courageous choice in service to my fellow man. I see the continued wearing of a mask in the spirit of the exercise as an expression of respect as much as service.

I see not being vaccinated as the puѕѕy way out.
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Holy shit am I satisfied w my efforts in inhibiting transmissions. I have no extra desire to avoid humanity and they I. If I can do a better job at inhibiting transmission, potentially eliminate acquisition, and reduce the length the globe is stuck in pandemic by taking a vaccine that has a really high efficacy, I’m absolutely going to do that.

There’s a bright light at the end of the tunnel. I hope we get the fuck outside to bask in it.
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Holy shit am I satisfied w my efforts in inhibiting transmissions. I have no extra desire to avoid humanity and they I. If I can do a better job at inhibiting transmission, potentially eliminate acquisition, and reduce the length the globe is stuck in pandemic by taking a vaccine that has a really high efficacy, I’m absolutely going to do that.

There’s a bright light at the end of the tunnel. I hope we get the fuck outside to bask in it.

Sounds like a sound plan. I recommend doing our basking off the tracks - you know - just in case.
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Well, I was bumped out at 8:30 am on Tuesday this week to book a time to be vaccinated promptly since I am in a hotspot area. Then it said all appointments were full and I took the other option, to select a pharmacy in my area which will send me an automated text when they have the vaccine to set a time.
Anyway, nothing is happening so I went back to see if I could book a time thru the govt portal again. I found an availability, clicked through the entire process and now I'm getting vaccinated...on April 25.
Truthfully I am low risk but the process should have provided me a prompt vaccination as per our provincial mandate. But of course the govt is only appeasing the public by appearing to address hotspots, which a vaccination in 2 weeks clearly isn't. And the second shot is scheduled same time 4 months later. I'll take it!

Vaccinated or not, I'm full gas mask wherever I go. Especially following fat people up escalators!
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And the second shot is scheduled same time 4 months later. I'll take it!

Vaccinated or not, I'm full gas mask wherever I go. Especially following fat people up escalators!
I was handed a paper with the codes and everything for my second appt while waiting the 15 minutes. Exactly 3 weeks between.
I'll be glad to be past it, and am hopeful weird side effects don't linger and maybe anxiety and stress start to reduce, but yeah... No changing any behaviors, except maybe some careful family get-togethers once we're all vaccinated. With cases on the rise, it's clear not enough are taking this seriously (enough)
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I'll be glad to be past it, and am hopeful weird side effects don't linger and maybe anxiety and stress start to reduce,
I had a much larger sense of relief after getting the second shot than I expected. It may by false hope of course but I realized how tense I had been over the whole thing for the past year.
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I had a much larger sense of relief after getting the second shot than I expected. It may by false hope of course but I realized how tense I had been over the whole thing for the paste year.
"Intense" is the word that I've been using a lot closely followed by "relentless". The lockdown, WFH, constant MS Teams calls and not knowing when things will get back to "normal".. All contributing to the tension.. Perhaps it's time to pick up a new hobby, modelling in plastic... And get to play with my wife's hairspray!!

WFH has pushed me to seek a new job, a job that will get me out and about.. I hadn't appreciated how much I like the interaction.. and seeing more than the four walls of my home office..
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