COVID Developments and News

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

I'm surprised they divulged this
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/26/at-l...-cdc-says.html

Why would you be surprised? It is what it is, and it doesn't really change their narrative on getting vaccinated. It's just another data point to show how wide spread this is.

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by cjd

Sure it was - though personally I believe that is a technicality, at that stage mutation rate was unknown.

Even if 100% of people in the USA were behind and supporting it and got vaccinated as soon as they where eligible and it was available. It would not have stopped mutation, as the timeline to achieve full immunization in a large enough percentage of the population was too long and the effectiveness of the vaccine on even the current strains at the time of development was too low. Mutation was inevitable. Not to mention mutation from/in other countries.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

I'm surprised they divulged this
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/26/at-l...-cdc-says.html

It's only surprising to conspiracy theorists with delusions of deep state or whatever. I am not surprised that the CDC would provide information they collected in a scientific manner.

Edit, DH beat me to it.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

It matters when you are making laws and mandates and forcing people to do it.

It is not some advertising on TV to try and get you to do something or buy something out of your own volition and they are trying to convince you that its something you want or need but you have a choice.

It is something you are being forced by the government to do/take at the consequence of losing your livelihood if you don't. So the accuracy of what it does and doesn't do is incredibly vital.

I feel like those that don't get vaccinated are forcing me to live in a society with higher than acceptable risk and no self preservation mechanism. Stop taking away my freedom and go get vaccinated.

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by Spuds

I feel like those that don't get vaccinated are forcing me to live in a society with higher than acceptable risk and no self preservation mechanism. Stop taking away my freedom and go get vaccinated.

Not sure what that has to do with the post you responded to.

but you do have the mechanism for self preservation.
Numerous decisions you can make on a daily basis that are advantageous to having a healthy strong immune system that will drastically improve your ability to prevent and fight off disease and infection, you also have the choice to get the vaccine yourself which should aid in doing the same in preventing and diminishing covid risk for yourself. Those two combined provide more than enough protection to be well under “higher than acceptable risk levels” and don’t require any action from anyone besides yourself.

[weederr33]

It's ok. Any of the economic problems we are feeling now are NOT from COVID are are probably government related to the party for which you dislike and nothing else. Because governments are petty like that and corporations are greedy.

[cjd]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

Even if 100% of people in the USA were behind and supporting it and got vaccinated as soon as they where eligible and it was available. It would not have stopped mutation, as the timeline to achieve full immunization in a large enough percentage of the population was too long and the effectiveness of the vaccine on even the current strains at the time of development was too low. Mutation was inevitable. Not to mention mutation from/in other countries.

I never considered this a problem smaller than the whole world. However. We have successfully eliminated a great many diseases, some horrifically debilitating. Or very very close.
So, until we have data, it's a balance of skepticism vs hope. We're well past that now, of course, but until that moment came when a new variant popped up and took over, hope was not lost. And it sure would have been nice if it didn't mutate quickly and we did have a chance to reach a high enough percentage of protected people such that it becomes a non-issue.
The mutation isn't what changed me from hopeful to disappointedly resigned though.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

Not sure what that has to do with the post you responded to.

but you do have the mechanism for self preservation.
Numerous decisions you can make on a daily basis that are advantageous to having a healthy strong immune system that will drastically improve your ability to prevent and fight off disease and infection, you also have the choice to get the vaccine yourself which should aid in doing the same in preventing and diminishing covid risk for yourself. Those two combined provide more than enough protection to be well under “higher than acceptable risk levels” and don’t require any action from anyone besides yourself.

Clearly not. The risk levels are far from acceptable. YOU might be ok with the level of risk, but it's a bit too much for me. If everyone got the pfizer with Moderna booster that would half the level of risk to me.

[Lantanafrs2]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Clearly not. The risk levels are far from acceptable. YOU might be ok with the level of risk, but it's a bit too much for me. If everyone got the pfizer with Moderna booster that would half the level of risk to me.

How were we supposed to know which vaccine and which booster to get?

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Clearly not. The risk levels are far from acceptable. YOU might be ok with the level of risk, but it's a bit too much for me. If everyone got the pfizer with Moderna booster that would half the level of risk to me.

Then I presume you never leave your house? As that risk must be too much for you too.

[soundman98]

remember when the internet got divided over the color of the dress?

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

Then I presume you never leave your house? As that risk must be too much for you too.

Depends. Is the risk of some imagined adverse reaction to a vaccine worth becoming a hermit instead of getting the damn shot?

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

How were we supposed to know which vaccine and which booster to get?

You don't. Part of living is not knowing for sure what is going to happen, but projecting what is likely to happen based on what you know at a given time.

The point is that changing guidance might just be because new evidence and combinations of evidence show that there is a more optimal path, rather than some nefarious plot to screw you. Remember, the CDC and other agencies are just groups of people. They just happen to have training and tools that give them way better odds of getting it right than random internet people.

[Lantanafrs2]

Originally Posted by Spuds

You don't. Part of living is not knowing for sure what is going to happen, but projecting what is likely to happen based on what you know at a given time.

The point is that changing guidance might just be because new evidence and combinations of evidence show that there is a more optimal path, rather than some nefarious plot to screw you. Remember, the CDC and other agencies are just groups of people. They just happen to have training and tools that give them way better odds of getting it right than random internet people.

Can I refund my 2 Pfizer boosters for modernas? So you'll feel safer?