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06-28-2022, 03:01 PM | #43 |
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Compared to later 718s and 991s. I've owned a 993 C2S, 07 997.1 Carrera and '06 Cayman S. I prefer their earlier systems and prefer the twins EPS system to both the 991 and 718s. Have not driven q 992 but honestly couldn't care less. They're huge. My 993 next to a 991. And I prefer the twins steering to all 3 Porsches I had. This is where hydraulic isn't always the answer, maybe? But the Evora was just on a different level. And it is hydraulic. So alive in your hands and all the time.
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I guess it shows the twins really punch above their weight considering what you’ve owned before. Last edited by Dirty Harry; 06-28-2022 at 06:48 PM. |
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They truly do. If you put your ego away and care about serious driving. I have no one to impress but myself and I'm a tough ass critic 🍻 |
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I currently have a 987.1 Boxster and a 1st gen. 86 (2020). I trade off on which one I'll drive on any particular day. I will say that whenever there is *texture* to the road surface, whether it's coarse pavement, cracks, tar strips, etc., much more of that information is transmitted to my hands through the steering wheel in the 987 than in the 86. My driving style is more 3/10 to 5/10, rather than 7/10 and above. Steering feel may be different nearer the limit, but when just cruising around the 987 "talks" more.
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Hydraulic vs eps would be my guess. There's Def more feedback with a Hydraulic system and kickback. This guy is WAY smarter than I am lol |
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Yeah. But none of us are getting it right, so.. My understanding is that the EPS motor acts like a mass damper and that takes away some feedback vs a hydraulic set up. The Evora apparently used a modified Honda Accord rack. Also hated the steering in my AP2. Not dislike, hate. But I loved the steering in both my RX8s and apparently they use the same eps system, so yeah, dunno.
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Jalopnik ran a great in depth technical article about the changes between the F30 and the G20 BMW 3 series generations. The most interesting quote for me was: Quote:
Another case is the difference between the Lotus Elise and Alfa 4C - both are lightweight, mid engine cars with manual steering racks and double wishbone fronts. Yet Alfa couldn't replicate the steering feel of the Elise (poor stock alignment specs and adjustment capabilities seem to be a big factor, with aftermarket caster and camber adjustments together with less toe out improve it quite a bit). |
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Awesome. I have heard that about the Elise vs 4C. There were rumors that Alfa ran out of development budget/time and it showed. There are many variables. Even the stiffness of a sidewall of something extreme like an RT660 vs a PS4 changes feel. How its implicated, tuned and interacts with all other syatems. I'll read that article. Thank you. I'd like to learn as much about this as I can because steering feel is something I've been looking for in my cars for 20 + years. I know it when I feel it but I'd like to express exactly how and why |
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Before I even clicked the link I was guessing David Tracy was the author. He does a great job relating technical info for laymen like me. |
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If it was to save costs, why develop a new system? What was wrong with the old one? And again, everything I've seen new on this second gen isn't for more mass appeal. It's more focused, feel and performance oriented. Even the profoundly improved power and delivery. Reinforcements. Z went up 10% in rigidity. This 60% front, 50% torsional and 60% more rigidity in the rear subframe. Those are big #s.
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This doesn't really support rennlist's comment, which I'm not trying to support either, but I believe the first gen steering would overheat on track. Maybe that was just when owner's ran wider tires than stock, but I'm hoping the new gen got some improvements with regard to the few issues it had (coil packs, EPS motor overheat, etc) |
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