Any good reason to stick with 1st Gen?

[thill]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Not sure about which comment you are talking about. I was referring to this particular review saying it has similarities with a Camry or a Corolla.

Well he is selling his “Streethunter” branded rear wing and body kits…. So…

[TommyW]

Im driving HPDE with NASA this weekend at Chuckwalla and there is a gen 2. i was excited to see it in action however the driver was sub par so couldn't tell much about it.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dake

Based on the timing, I think the Corolla styling was changed to look more like the pre-facelift gen 1 86 (back when that happened).

They would be all planned together. One is not "based" on the other.

[wbradley]

Fortunately the Toyota design language does not have a stupid looking smile.

[Dake]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

They would be all planned together. One is not "based" on the other.

Of course - maybe better to say that the original 86 seemed to be the debut of the look.

[wbradley]

I'd say the overall shape was conceptualized mainly by Toyota in the concepts leading to and eventually resulting in the gen 1 car.

Now, you can tell Subaru had some hand in the exterior changes, aside from their own front fascia. The side vent/fin for example very much resembles the execution of the fin on the STI and WRX models. And that is changing on the REXs soon, incidentally. The taillights resemble the new WRX ones as well. Seats are Toyota on the bottom and Subaru on the seat backs. Dash is probably mostly Toyota. I mean after all, Subaru has all of two dashboard designs running for like 5 models, they just don't have the Toyota design team's numbers.
I respect how Subaru milks the crap out of every design, using dashes in multiple cars and SUVs. It saves costs and you know they developed their designs carefully since they have put all their eggs in relatively few baskets.

There's a good contrast between the hugeness of Toyota and the comparative smallness of Subaru, yet they follow similar philosophies in many ways. Both take a lot less risk on designs than they used to way back as well, and this results in products through corporate sharing. It's like the Uber of car manufacturing sort of. The end result is bringing this product to a store near you.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by timurrrr

The turn signal stalk feels premium, has a nice click to it (as opposed to the cheap crunch of the 1st gen).

I'm not even sure what a "premium" signal stalk would look and feel like. What am I missing with this and not having one?

[timurrrr]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I'm not even sure what a "premium" signal stalk would look and feel like. What am I missing with this and not having one?

Have you ever sat in a well-made expensive car that feels expensive?
Can you feel the difference in how the volume/power buttons feel on an old cheap Android phone vs a new flagship smartphone (Android or iPhone)?
It's the same: "does the job" vs "... and also feels nice".

The 1st gen BRZ signal stalk is OK. It does the job.
But it has a bit of a plastic "crunch" to it every time you engage or disengage it.
It also sometimes has a weird feeling when you want to hold the left turn signal while turning the steering wheel right, or vice versa.
I think a Lada from late 1990's felt the same way.
The 2nd gen has a more refined feeling to the signal stalk, and it doesn't give you an impression that it can snap if you pull it just a little harder.
It's no longer mechanically connected to the steering wheel, so it doesn't fight back when you turn the steering wheel in the opposite direction.

Not that the 1st gen stalk bothers me, but having tried both I'd definitely pick the 2nd gen stalk over the 1st gen stalk.
I'm pretty sure most people who never had a 1st gen 86/BRZ would make the same choice.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I'm not even sure what a "premium" signal stalk would look and feel like.

Originally Posted by timurrrr

Have you ever sat in a well-made expensive car that feels expensive?

Remember, anything made by GM isn’t that.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by timurrrr

Have you ever sat in a well-made expensive car that feels expensive?

I've sat in, and driven, plenty of cars that are expensive, etc (and that weren't GM ). I guess I'm just not a connoisseur of signal stalks. I can't remember a single one that somehow felt "expensive". That includes a couple of Bentleys and Rolls I've had the opportunity to plop my ass in.

I'm glad that its better, and I agree from the pictures I've seen of the new interior its an improvement. If they offered the original and the new as they were, I'd probably end up picking neither because I like the exterior of the old and the interior (for the most part) of the new.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Remember, anything made by GM isn’t that.

Got it! (and don't disagree)

[Stonehorsw]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I've sat in, and driven, plenty of cars that are expensive, etc (and that weren't GM ). I guess I'm just no a connoisseur of signal stalks. I can't remember a single one that somehow felt "expensive". That includes a couple of Bentleys and Rolls I've had the opportunity to plop my ass in.

I'm glad that its better, and I agree from the pictures I've seen of the new interior its an improvement. If they offered the original and the new as they were, I'd probably end up picking neither because I like the exterior of the old and the interior (for the most part) of the new.

Ford Taurus/ Lincoln MKS have a good integrated signal. No plastic click, one piece does it all and so on.

[wbradley]

My brother in law traded his Bentley for a newer one yesterday (2020). Why? Updated signal stalks, of course.

[jflogerzi]

Originally Posted by wbradley

My brother in law traded his Bentley for a newer one yesterday (2020). Why? Updated signal stalks, of course.

No thank you