so when is the dang thing going to available?

[McMCOO]

Originally Posted by trippinbillies40

Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo







Let's cruise when they all come in.

Yup can't wait!

[JesseG]

Originally Posted by McMCOO

I stopped in at our local dealer in Vancouver, WA just to rattle cages and see if they knew anything. I was greeted by a pre-owned 2020 Hakone sitting right up against the glass front windows of the building. I was directed to a sales person with pretty eyes, lovely figure, and impractically long French-manicured nails. Alas, she knew next to nothing about cars, and less than nothing about the soon-to-come GR86. I had to point to the Hakone to explain to her what it was. She ran to her manager, who just shrugged.


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Ahh yes, another car sales expert. And the sad thing is she has no real incentive to actually learn about the cars they are selling. Most people go in and buy a Toyota model based on the company’s reputation.

Like the sales guy that commented to me how sweet the V6 was in the Supra.


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[Jeonsa]

Originally Posted by JesseG

Ahh yes, another car sales expert. And the sad thing is she has no real incentive to actually learn about the cars they are selling. Most people go in and buy a Toyota model based on the company’s reputation.

Like the sales guy that commented to me how sweet the V6 was in the Supra.


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Should’ve said “V6? I thought it had a twin turbo 4 cylinder built by Yamaha.”

[Jegan_V]

Originally Posted by Jeonsa

Should’ve said “V6? I thought it had a twin turbo 4 cylinder built by Yamaha.”

It would probably come with a retort that Toyota makes all of their engines...or if know even less about them they'd be massively confused as to why a piano maker is even in the conversation.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by McMCOO

I see why that Hakone is so expensive. It has heated leather seats, leather seats, heated seats, and heated driver seat. So many seats! It's a like a green 4Runner.

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well there are 4 seats....but i think only 2 of them are actually heated lol

that price is surprising....isnt that damn near the going price of a brand new first gen AT model with tax?

[McMCOO]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

well there are 4 seats....but i think only 2 of them are actually heated lol

that price is surprising....isnt that damn near the going price of a brand new first gen AT model with tax?

A 2022 Limited BRZ in AT is 33,255 without any extras. 5k less. Maybe they think the Hakone would have more demand?

Edited to add: The MSRP on the Kakone was about 34k.

[StE92ve]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

that price is surprising....

Not in today's used car market. Dealers can't get new cars so the price of used has skyrocketed. I feel bad for those coming off a lease and have to settle for something they don't want if they can't wait for their first choice.

[mazeroni]

Does KBB have the right invoice here?

2022 BRZ Limited
MSRP: 30,495 MSRP w/o destination
Invoice: 29,861

If that is correct, then yea, there isn't much wiggle room on pricing. I can also see why dealers don't know anything about the car. The margins stink and they probably sell 1-2 a month. Literally nobody cares about these cars.

I can understand paying MSRP if you want one of the first ones, but remember, the 2017~2020 86 had a 1,500 rebate+0.9% for as long as I can remember. I've seen people on the forums reporting similar discounts on the BRZ.

I see no reason why the new gen will be any different.

Personally, I would like to get one before April/ May of next year, but I'm going in with the expectation of getting $13~14K for my FRS. I'll pay MSRP if I can get that deal.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by mazeroni

I'm going in with the expectation of getting $13~14K for my FRS. I'll pay MSRP if I can get that deal.

One thing you might try is getting a price from CarMax for your trade in before you talk to the dealer about it. In Houston there are 2 places that will buy your car outright, CarMax and Texas Direct Auto, and the money they offered me for the same car was over $1000 different between the two of them in the past. They always offered more than the dealer trade in number for the same car.

So worst case scenario is you waste a little time getting it appraised, but you might get significantly more money for your old car.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by McMCOO

A 2022 Limited BRZ in AT is 33,255 without any extras. 5k less. Maybe they think the Hakone would have more demand?

Edited to add: The MSRP on the Kakone was about 34k.

oh haha i saw "vancouver" and assumed it was in Canada.

didnt realize the place was in Vancouver WA int he US.

So yeah then its overpriced by about 4k.
Up here in Canada it retail MSRP was 34K for the hakone MT and like 36k for the AT.

[trippinbillies40]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

oh haha i saw "vancouver" and assumed it was in Canada.

didnt realize the place was in Vancouver WA int he US.

Better known as Vantucky down here.

[chaoskaze]

Originally Posted by McMCOO

I'm sort of chomping at the bit. I just barely bought my 2020 in April. It has 6k on it. Looking at Autotrader and elsewhere, used 2020s are going for up to $30k in base model. It's crazy. I spent about $27,300 on mine, so I could potentially recoup all of it and dump directly into a 2022 if timing and the stars align.

Yo do it, i would if i was in your shoes.

Originally Posted by trippinbillies40

Better known as Vantucky down here.

I always thought it's the place to live to avoid property tax & shop tax free in Portland if you don't mind the bridge traffic.

[trippinbillies40]

Originally Posted by chaoskaze

I always thought it's the place to live to avoid property tax & shop tax free in Portland if you don't mind the bridge traffic.

Income tax, not property tax, but yeah. Bridge traffic really isn't all that bad. Traffic here getting to shopping is WAY easier than living in Beaverton and trying to get into town.

[stilesg57]

Originally Posted by mazeroni

Does KBB have the right invoice here?

2022 BRZ Limited
MSRP: 30,495 MSRP w/o destination
Invoice: 29,861

I use www.costcoautos.com for my invoice cost info on various cars.


For a 2022 BRZ Limited (destination = $960): https://www.costcoauto.com/new_cars/...?trimid=421749


MSRP: 30,495 (w/o destination)
MSRP: 31,455 (w/ destination)
Invoice: 28,901 (w/o destination & $75 supply chain hardship)
Invoice: 29,936 (w/ destination & $75 supply chain hardship)


So it looks like KBB is right except they're showing w/o destination for the MSRP and w/destination for the Invoice (but not showing the $75 supply chain hardship fee).


Invoice/MSRP spread is just $1,594 before options. So yeah, probably not much room to move off MSRP. Especially in this market, and for a new model. I'll be happy if I get MSRP and they throw in my auto dimming mirror/compass for free