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Old 10-09-2021, 09:34 PM   #1345
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Not sure what driving on the freeway has to do with getting vaccinated.

Don’t think anyone is saying to deliberately go and try to get infected.

Really not sure the point of this post.
It was an analogy to not using safety precautions against a known danger.

I'm not so surprised that you don't get it. Hence the reason you are where you are in your quandary. Nobody cares if you kill yourself (except your family, friends, employer and creditors), but if the hospitals are clogged you're killing other people too, indirectly. You don't deserve the freedom to do that.

Now do you understand?

Oh, and of course vaccine passports are intended to keep people away from groups that have a greater statistical probability of infection. Analogous to people that don't wear deodorant or wash are more likely to have body odor.
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It was an analogy to not using safety precautions against a known danger.

I'm not so surprised that you don't get it. Hence the reason you are where you are in your quandary. Nobody cares if you kill yourself (except your family, friends, employer and creditors), but if the hospitals are clogged you're killing other people too, indirectly. You don't deserve the freedom to do that.

Now do you understand?

Oh, and of course vaccine passports are intended to keep people away from groups that have a greater statistical probability of infection. Analogous to people that don't wear deodorant or wash are more likely to have body odor.
When did i state or imply I was ever in a quandary?

So by your analogy obesity and smokers would be in the same category “ but if the hospitals are clogged you're killing other people too, indirectly. You don't deserve the freedom to do that.”
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And I didn't suggest anyone had a moral right to get infected. It's responses like this that keep liar's whack a mole alive.

The numbers were rounded from the published figures for clarity.

For the Fhizer product:

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How well it works: Experts continue to learn about Pfizer’s efficacy both in the laboratory and in the real world. Pfizer’s initial Phase 3 clinical data presented in December showed its vaccine to have 95% efficacy.
Moderna;

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At six months after vaccination, the Moderna vaccine was shown to have efficacy of 90% against infection and more than 95% against developing a severe case, according to the company. In addition, while both Pfizer and Moderna still are considered highly effective, several recent studies showed Moderna to be more protective.
https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/co...ine-comparison

Both seem to decline over time. Hence - boosters


You are right on one point. The question is, should vaccination be made compulsory? The answer is, unfortunately, yes.

There is an attribute of populations that philosophers have termed Civic Virtue. It is the willingness of the citizens in a society to do what is best for the society even if they believe and are justified in believing that doing so is NOT in their best interests.

It is something that societies absolutely require for long term survival. It is also an attribute sorely lacking in the "I don't wanna get a shot. I got rights, and you can't make me" crowd. Unfortunately, when Civic Virtue is absent, in dire situations coercion is necessary. This is a dire circumstance.

War is another. A lot of guys in my Dad's generation volunteered for military service. Dad went to the Pacific in 1942. He came home - a lot of guys didn't. Was it in their best interest to board a troop ship and sale halfway around the world to get your ass shot off. No. But a hell of a lot of them went anyway. If you don't have enough volunteers what do you do? Draft them. It's much the same here.

Ideally, everyone would want to do what is best for their fellow men. That love of country is in short supply in some part of our society. So - we make it a law. Just like the draft.

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And I didn't suggest anyone had a moral right to get infected. It's responses like this that keep liar's whack a mole alive.
Who/when/where did someone say you suggested “anyone had a moral right to get infected” ?
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This is interesting. Have links and sources?

I want to look into this further. Every google search i do seems to be neutered or heavily diluted with just covid mRNA vaccine stuff… not much about other mRNA’s and testing etc…
On a different thread, some business articles talked about Moderna and how it had not turned a profit due to failed vaccines/cancer research.

I can repost it for you.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/mo...ne-11608134670

Found more:
This article points out that these are the first MRNA vaccines to be tested in pahse III (makes no mention for the cancer treatment aspect)
https://www.mskcc.org/coronavirus/wh...cines-covid-19

Here is an older article/peer reviewed study from 2018 pointing out improvements form previous vaccine and cancer treatment.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd.2017.243

I have been following MRNA Cancer treatment for a very long time. I am a CT tech that works/worked at a Cancer treatment center.
I WANT MRNA to work really really bad. I just think testing it out on 100+ million people is really dangerous.
I hope it is safe. I honestly do. If 5% of that 100 million gets super duper sick in the next how many ever years...my job is going to be very hard. I will see a lot of sick people, and even though I have been doing this for 22 years, I still hate seeing people get really sick.

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I disagree. First, I have not seen evidence that vaccines "cause" mutations. They do not directly change the genome of the virus that I've heard. If you have evidence to the contrary I'm all ears. They do offer an opportunity for mutations that do occur to crowd out existing strains if the newcomer is better suited to the new environment. If that newcomer has other attributes that make is more virulent it may be more successful/dangerous than its predecessor. That does not mean the mutation would not have come along anyway. And I don't see a causal linkage.

Second, I'm not sure how you reach the conclusion that universal vaccination would not slow the rate of mutation. Every new infection is an opportunity for the virus to mutate. If you reduce the number of new infections, you reduce opportunities for mutation. If you reduce new infections to near zero, there will be far fewer opportunities for mutation and fewer mutations as a result.
There is evidence.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...hicken-viruses

This is from 2015.

This was before the literature was changed in the last 18 months.

Definitions for Herd Immunity and Immunity have literally been changed in the last 18 months.

I can post it if you like.

It is common knowledge in the medical field that leaky vaccines can specifically cause stronger strains.

Same with anti-bacterial soap and people not completing their anitbiotics...Hello MRSA.

You can find a TON of more examples if you want.
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why would someone who has "worked in the biologics industry since 1996" be asking this question?
It was rhetorical…
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When did i state or imply I was ever in a quandary?

So by your analogy obesity and smokers would be in the same category “ but if the hospitals are clogged you're killing other people too, indirectly. You don't deserve the freedom to do
Obese people and smokers aren't overwhelming the hospitals all at once requiring urgent care and the unvaccinated are. They are singly responsible for the delays and cancelation of life saving treatments and procedures. But of course self-absorbed people really don't give a shit about anyone else in the end they just want to be free to make their own decisions and put out absurd arguments like the one you just made.

And I do realize this is hypothetical, I do not meant to offend you personally


It sounds to me as though you are convinced there is no solution to this problem since with your suggestion you are basically obscuring the insurmountable fact that the unvaccinated are responsible for approximately 80% of the Covid19 hospital admissions. And of the remaining 20% or so that are vaccinated, many are sick or elderly otherwise and their systems can't keep up despite their willingness to be vaccinated and or use precautions.

This is a waste of my time saying the same stuff over and over again.


For those that still aren't with the program, might I suggest make sure you have life and disability insurance for your loved ones. That is unless you REALLY only care about yourself.
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Must be a Kleenex shortage in Canada
You are so incredibly offensive it isn't funny. I'm quessing it was you who created the tag, "see wbradley cry" a few weeks ago. I complained and it was immediately removed but at the time I thought Tyler Lieberman was responsible. It's a shame you seem to have a disconnect with people's emotions. It is probably connected to having little or no compassion. I hope you are one day able to resolve it, and I mean this sincerely as it must be crippling in many ways socially. I do know others in that spectrum. I'm guessing you have difficulty in relationships and friendships as well. I don't hate people like you, understanding it isn't something you can fully control.


We unveiled my father's stone a few weeks ago, it was very emotional. We all cried. The inscription included, "A great ball player", which he was. The line we were were really thinking of was, "One hell of a ball player", since that's what so many of my father's friends and acquaintances would tell us about him when we were growing up.

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So what do you do other than draw, separate and test blood exactly? Are you some type of scientist, or an epidemiologist? I'm just curious because this is some real eye opening stuff. The most disturbing part is that the vaccines are knocking out the natural antibodies. But are they replacing them with effective but slightly modified antibodies? That would be considered a curious artifact if so.
I am currently Director of Corporate Quality, though I’ve previously held multiple positions in both operations and regulatory with five companies. One of my responsibilities is reporting epidemiological data to industry partners and US and European regulatory agencies. I also oversee all equipment qualification, logistics, and reporting any quality related issues to customers and regulatory agencies.

The outbreaks in Florida didn’t kick off until New Yorkers started fleeing Cuomo’s bad policies. Truth be told, the elderly that retreated to Florida in all likelihood fared better than they would have had they stayed in New York. Granted, in the beginning it was nearly impossible to get tested in Florida because test kits were sent to the highest risk states first.

As I believe I stated before, I had Covid last spring (before it was even being widely discussed) and my antibody levels are still high, so why should I be forced to receive a vaccine that will weaken my immune system? Particularly when Pfizer officials admitted that natural immunity is superior to vaccinated immunity?

With the boosters, the FDA’s top immunologists resigned after the CDC overruled their recommendation that booster shots not be authorized. Additionally, the last two interim heads of the FDA are now employed in the public sector. One at Moderna and the other at Pfizer. Both worked at the FDA at the onset of the pandemic.

If you want a solid conspiracy theory, I’ve got one for you. Take a look at the individuals that are throwing millions of dollars behind Covid related companies and pushing advertising for the vaccines. The two most popular would be Bill Gates and George Soros. What do these two men have in common? Both have touted the need for population control/reduction to combat climate change.

That’s one of the most amusing I’ve come across. One would be a push for global economic collapse to rebuild under one international economy. Another would be that the pandemic was politicized so heavily that it would be political suicide for those in power to admit they over reacted. Sadly enough, for the past 20 years or more, the wildest conspiracy theories are usually the ones with the nuggets of truth.
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