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[Capt Spaulding]

Originally Posted by cjd

Passing on a booster won't speed up recovery, unfortunately. Theyll probably just end up unused doses.
The larger world-wide problem is daunting and concerning. Anyone not vaccinated is the biggest existential threat at the moment. Clearly it doesn't matter where in the world they are, a successful mutation eventually comes around.

Hence the quandary. get a booster and have a stronger shield against an evolving virus, or forgo a booster in the hope (and only HOPE) that the vax will go into the arm of someone who "might" be the source of the next serious mutation.

Unfortunately, this can't be done with hopes and dreams. It will take policy to make that happen. Since the current policy is to do boosters in the West and stay the course in the rest of the world, the smart play appears to be to get the booster.

[soundman98]

I'm really conflicted on the whole booster thing. I said back in the spring that I was expecting this all to come back by next fall.

The fact that all of it is already happening in august now makes me believe that there's really no way out-- we're not in the typical cold season that encourages virus spreading yet, so when we are later, it will only be worse.

We will be our own downfall.

[Capt Spaulding]

The best hope I can see is we're going to have variants popping up for quite a while. The booster vaccines will be tailored to the new variants and we'll be dancing to that tune. Lather, rinse, repeat. Eventually, if we're more lucky than smart, our immune systems will adapt to the class/family of bug and it will recede into the background. Before and unless that happens, we're collectively too stupid and/or selfish to beat this thing back.

[p1l0t]

And you all said I was crazy when I said there would be booster shots...

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[weederr33]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

And you all said I was crazy when I said there would be booster shots...

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Who said you weren't crazy in general?

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by Capt Spaulding

our immune systems will adapt to the class/family of bug

Uneducated statement here: but our immune system hasn't adapted to the 'flu family of viruses. If one wants a 'flu vaccination one has to get a new best guess vaccination each year.

[Capt Spaulding]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

And you all said I was crazy when I said there would be booster shots...

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Hmmm. I'm curious. who said you were crazy for saying boosters would be required? I don't recall that. What I recall people saying was that if enough people were stupid enough to believe all the anti-vax propaganda and ran around unvaxed and probably unmasked (because freedumb) we would see new variants pop up that could challenge the effectiveness of the vaccines we had/have. In fact I recall saying that very thing - over and over and over and ... and over. And, I'll be a monkey's uncle, that's pretty much what has and continues to happen.

Amigo, you may or may not be crazy - but what you and others like ARE - is at least partially responsible for the cluster fuck we're seeing now. So, pilot - to you and all the others like you - thanks - for fucking this up.

[Sapphireho]

I feel bad.

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by weederr33

Who said you weren't crazy in general?

Nobody, lol.

Originally Posted by Capt Spaulding

Hmmm. I'm curious. who said you were crazy for saying boosters would be required? I don't recall that. What I recall people saying was that if enough people were stupid enough to believe all the anti-vax propaganda and ran around unvaxed and probably unmasked (because freedumb) we would see new variants pop up that could challenge the effectiveness of the vaccines we had/have. In fact I recall saying that very thing - over and over and over and ... and over. And, I'll be a monkey's uncle, that's pretty much what has and continues to happen.

Amigo, you may or may not be crazy - but what you and others like ARE - is at least partially responsible for the cluster fuck we're seeing now. So, pilot - to you and all the others like you - thanks - for fucking this up.

Meh the vaccine doesn't stop the spreading of it and apparently is ineffective against the variants so I think you can blame whoever you want but the case for mandated vaccines is out the window.

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[weederr33]

Originally Posted by Sapphireho

I feel bad.

Emotionally? Physically? Mentally? Spiritually? Sexually?

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

Uneducated statement here: but our immune system hasn't adapted to the 'flu family of viruses. If one wants a 'flu vaccination one has to get a new best guess vaccination each year.

If one prefers to keep the weak alive. A long long time ago in a galaxy far far away or something, the weak would be allowed and even encouraged to die off so the strong could survive, which would thereby strengthen the gene pool.

Somewhere along the line, we decided to value all of human life over gene pool strength, and this is the result-- where we're given dosages of dead viruses to alter the natural course of life in our favor.

People with strong immune systems of any age don't need vaccines as often, if at all.

[cjd]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

Meh the vaccine doesn't stop the spreading of it and apparently is ineffective against the variants so I think you can blame whoever you want but the case for mandated vaccines is out the window.

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Still a false assertion.
Vaccines reduce the severity. They keep hospitals from filling up. And if we're lucky they may reduce transmission enough (especially when paired with other measures the same people refusing vaccines also refuse) to kick this thing. Probably not - that was never likely with as many people in the world and the time it takes to vaccinate.
While we're filling hospitals and morgues past capacity (that's mostly unvaccinated, it'll eventually have to run out of those) and the world stutters along and is a major inconvenience... Yes, that's still the anti-vaccers to blame. The policy-makers refusing to take care of their flock just to stubbornly stand on some principle.

[Sapphireho]

Originally Posted by weederr33

Emotionally? Physically? Mentally? Spiritually? Sexually?

Yes.

[Capt Spaulding]

It's funny. After the anti-vaxers throw the rest of the country under the bus, they pull out this post/pre hoc rationalizing. "Oh well, that I pissed away a chance to contribute to protecting my fellow Americans doesn't matter because the vaccines don't protect as well against variants."

Not mentioning, of course, that it is the vast pool of unvaxxed that enabled Delta to rampage across the country. Trust me, people will remember. My wife told me about an article by a California physician who is now treating a massive influx of unvaxxed COVID patients. She wrote of one who had used the tired trope that he was waiting for full FDA approval before getting the shot. Said he didn't want to be a guinea pig in some government experiment. Well, he waited too long. First he asked to get the vaccine. "Won't work after you catch the disease," he was told. Then as his condition deteriorated, the doctor informed him that there was one last thing to try, but it was truly experimental and unproven. He said, "anything to save my life!" It didn't work, and he died. A free vaccine two months earlier would have done exactly that.

The doctor observed that after fighting the virus for over a year and watchin hundreds of people die because there was simply no way to protect or treat them, she has a very difficult time feeling sorry for patients like this one. There was a way to avoid dying, probably even to avoid getting sick. It was free. It was easy. Yet, some people, refuse for whatever reason to take advantage of it. Her story is a common one across the nation. If you as an unvaxxed patient wind up in that bed, your doctor, whoever they are, will almost certainly do whatever they can to save your life. There's one thing they may not do, shed a tear if you die.