Buyer's remorse. :( What do you guys think?

[joe strummer]

Originally Posted by drewbot

To add to analogies:

For everyone using your fancy DSLR in fully auto mode, shame on you for not using manual mode? A DSLR with auto? Please

You can't experience a camera unless you focus and meter all manually. All your photos are cheating. The fact that your mom can use your DSLR proves my point.

To FULLY experience a camera you'll need to go full manual. Whatever parameters you give over to the camera diminishes the experience, but to different degrees. Just like there are times you'd wish your manual was an auto- stop and go traffic, there are times you put the camera in full or partial auto. But to get the full experience- full manual.

An auto trans is like Auto-Tune. Sure, you're singing, but why not just lip synch?

[shiumai]

Originally Posted by Th3rdSun

Novelty? Really? If anything,paddle shifters are novelty.

i agree - that's why my paddle shifters are more exciting for me than a stick now. they're 'novel' to me.

[shiumai]

Originally Posted by joe strummer

An auto trans is like Auto-Tune. Sure, you're singing, but why not just lip synch?

why use the turn signals when you can stick your arm out of the window?

[Atticus808]

sex

sex isn't really involving unless you do it all by yourself.

nothing like using your own hand and stroking it, taking yourself to climax.

if you do it with someone else, just lol at you.













wait, what?

[ajaxthebetter]

The appropriate analogy would be condom vs condomless...

One is safer, artificial, lacking in feel. It has been jazzed up numerous times throughout the years with ribs and various oils.

But At the end of the day, it still doesn't feel as good as its simplistic, bare bone (c wut I did ther), counterpart.

All things being equal, would you guys have purchased the car if it was fwd? Modern FWD can go faster than many RWD, can rotate, offer heaps of fun; more practical in inclement weather, etc. But RWD, something most all of us rave about, is more involving and "proper." It feels better to slip the booty out on a RWD car. Natural, even if slower.

This is why a good deal of us feel the ubiquitous automatic is ruining the engagement that is manual operation, even if it is faster and more pracitcal.

[soulreapersteve]

Originally Posted by shiumai

why use the turn signals when you can stick your arm out of the window?

[Zhangy]

Originally Posted by Zozr

Lolwat.

You enjoy the handling more with a manual, more control over the situation.

If manual is so good why doesn't Ferrari put any in their cars?

[Zhangy]

Originally Posted by Atticus808

sex

sex isn't really involving unless you do it all by yourself.

nothing like using your own hand and stroking it, taking yourself to climax.

if you do it with someone else, just lol at you.











wait, what?

If full manual is so good why doesn't Ferrari put any in their cars?

[joe strummer]

Originally Posted by Bergen23

Only because I'm tired of the elitism that a third pedal brings. All arguments outside of personal preference are garbage.

Elitism? We're all driving FR-Ss. Actually, I see your point, but to me it's not about feeling superior.

One reason arguments like there go nowhere is we don't define terms. MT better than AT? In what context? To me, it's about engaging with the vehicle, participating in the driving as much as is practicable. I ride motorcycles, too.

So when I say an MT is better, it's because when I operate it I'm participating in the driving experience more than I would be if it were an AT. When I drove the car for the first time, I knew it was it. I just felt very engaged, and the MT was an integral part of that.

This car is so visceral, partly because it's spartan, noisy and, at least mine with coilovers, harsh. I don't want it any other way, and an auto would take away from that, as would more soundproofing, and a softer suspension. But you could easily make arguments for those “improvements.” As long as you define the goal.

When I finally get that NSX or Supra Mark IV, it will have a stick. I seriously cannot fathom why, other than for a disability, a person would buy one of them with an auto trans.

For cars like these, why take away from the experience? The original NSX with MT didn't have power steering. That sounds sweet. I have an LS 430, by almost any yardstick a great car. Yet I feel almost no sense of engagement with the car when I drive it. If I don't have to drive it- picking up people from the airport, etc., I drive the Scion.

The point is, of course it's personal preference, as are all of our decisions to get an FR-S in the first place. But from what I understand, one of the main concepts in the design of the car is the experience of driving- the lack of controls on the steering wheel is a function of that concept. To me, and I suspect, quite a few others, a manual trans is more consistent with that concept.

[Atticus808]

Originally Posted by Zhangy

If full manual is so good why doesn't Ferrari put any in their cars?

I didn't say full manual is so good
my car is manual and I don't think that automatic takes the driving experience out.

the only reason I have a manual is because I've never had a manual car so I want to have one. it is very fun, but I'm sure the auto is very fun as well, why wouldn't it be?

Ferrari doesn't have their cars in manual because auto is much much faster.

[joe strummer]

Originally Posted by Zhangy

If full manual is so good why doesn't Ferrari put any in their cars?

The Porsche 918, about $850,000, has a non-tilting steering wheel and non-adjustable seat backs. I think we would both agree that tilting steering wheels and adjustable seat backs are very good to have. Different strokes, I guess.

[Th3rdSun]

Originally Posted by Zhangy

If manual is so good why doesn't Ferrari put any in their cars?

You say that as if Ferrari makes hands down the best cars in the world.I ain't knocking Ferrari,but by that rationale,if automatics are so good,why are all STI,Focus ST,Fiesta ST,Vipers,S2000,Civic Si, and Camaro Z/28s ONLY come in a manual?

See,I can play that game too.

[Atticus808]

bottom line is. who gives a fuck what people drive. you're not driving their car

[Mr.Impreza]

Originally Posted by Zhangy

If manual is so good why doesn't Ferrari put any in their cars?

2 reasons actually.


First, marketing. They get faster lap times with auto.
Second, rich kids or someone who doesn't care about driving can buy the Ferrari, drive it and claim there car can do the nurburgring in a certain time.


People like Kane west doesn't care abut driving or the history of Ferrari. They just buy those cars as items to show they are rich.


Lambo, Ferrari etch... have caught on and that's where the business is. There model is now to sell more cars. Not make them for enthusiasts.


Soon we will have cars that drive themselves because they will be quicker around tracks. People let technology take over there life way too much.


I swear, by 2030 people will be saying how having the computer drive the car at the track is better than actually driving it yourself hahaha