Buyer's remorse. :( What do you guys think?

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The first 30 or so vehicles I drove didn't have a tach or rev limiters and I managed to never blow up and engine. You don't have a gauge that tells you when to brake or steer so why have one tell you when to shift?

Same here. In fact the first car I ever owned that had tach also had an AT.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Zozr

Only people who will defend auto are probably too scared to dd a stick.

Ugm wrong.... I have daily driven manual transmissions for well over 400,000 miles over the years (just adding up manual cars I've owned and their mileage quickly in my head). After about the first 150,000 miles or so driving a MT basically becomes "automatic". Unless I'm racing (which I don't do when I'm using a car as a DD) it never really even occurs to me that I'm shifting gears, any more than it occurs to me that I'm braking or tuning the radio.


In the end, on the highway driving in traffic there is almost zero difference to me between the two, particularly in the 86.


Now, a race track would be a different story, but we are talking DD not racing.

[Th3rdSun]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

If you have to concentrate to drive an MT for more then a week or so you had better go AT. Besides how is staring at a tach or shifter when deciding when or where to shift to not a distraction? I have read hundreds of time on here where people will tell you exactly what reves they were at when they shift for each gear. Since you can shift 3 or 4 times in 20 or 30 seconds that means they had their eyes off the road for a considerable time.

Uh,I didn't say anything about looking at the tach? In fact,imo,if you have to have the tach tell you when to shift,then you shouldn't even be in a car with a MT.That includes the passanger's seat and the trunk (<---joke)!

The actual concentration that I was referring to comes from having all four limbs engaged in driving,and not just two,like a ton of people that drive AT do.

Think of driving a stick like leaning how to be a good drummer.Sure,you can use only your hands to work the cymbals,toms,and snare,but until you learn how to use both of your feet for the bass and high hats,you'll never really be great.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Th3rdSun

Uh,I didn't say anything about looking at the tach? In fact,imo,if you have to have the tach tell you when to shift,then you shouldn't even be in a car with a MT.That includes the passanger's seat and the trunk (<---joke)!

The actual concentration that I was referring to comes from having all four limbs engaged in driving,and not just two,like a ton of people that drive AT do.

Think of driving a stick like leaning how to be a good drummer.Sure,you can use only your hands to work the cymbals,toms,and snare,but until you learn how to use both of your feet for the bass and high hats,you'll never really be great.

I have been driving stick for 40 years and using an extra foot and hand does not increase squat. if using more limbs makes you feel superior that is dandy but I am afraid that is all in your head.

[Atticus808]

Originally Posted by Missy

I was mentioned in the general forum...weeeeird..

thanks for declining my Xbox invitation. asshole

[Missy]

Originally Posted by Atticus808

thanks for declining my Xbox invitation. asshole

How would I know which one is yours, **** hole ?!?

[jaycee842]

Originally Posted by Th3rdSun

Uh,I didn't say anything about looking at the tach? In fact,imo,if you have to have the tach tell you when to shift,then you shouldn't even be in a car with a MT.That includes the passanger's seat and the trunk (<---joke)!

The actual concentration that I was referring to comes from having all four limbs engaged in driving,and not just two,like a ton of people that drive AT do.

Think of driving a stick like leaning how to be a good drummer.Sure,you can use only your hands to work the cymbals,toms,and snare,but until you learn how to use both of your feet for the bass and high hats,you'll never really be great.

I really dislike this type of elitist attitude.

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[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I have been driving stick for 40 years and using an extra foot and hand does not increase squat.

It increases my smile.

[Mr_Hann]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I have been driving stick for 40 years and using an extra foot and hand does not increase squat. if using more limbs makes you feel superior that is dandy but I am afraid that is all in your head.

It also increases wear on the bottom of your left shoe sole

[Th3rdSun]

Originally Posted by jaycee842

I really dislike this type of elitist attitude.

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How is it elitist?! I'm just pointing out the dexterity that it takes to dive a stick.If you can't figure that out and think it's "elitist",then that's on you.

Here's a test.Go to the gym and do an intense leg and calf work out,to the point to where actually walking feels like a chore.Hop into a car with MT and drive home.Next time do the exact same workout with the exact same results of fatigue,then hop into a car with AT and drive home. Post your results of which drive home was more physically challenging.

Too many people here seem to be getting butt hurt over something that they shouldn't based on people's opinions.Personally,I hate AT for sports cars,but that doesn't mean that anyone should be mad over my opinion.

Obviously the OP has some sort of regret for buying an AT over a MT,otherwise this thread wouldn't exist.Whether it be from the endless professional reviews that pretty much unanimously praise the MT over the AT,or maybe he just misses the feeling from driving a stick,it might be fair to say that the assumption is that he feels like he should've bought a MT.

At the end of the day,buy what you like and own that decision,because we live in a hyper critical world,and if you can't take anyone else's opinion without getting defensive and butthurt,then you are doing the internet wrong and should probably find other forums to post on.

[Atticus808]

Originally Posted by Missy

How would I know which one is yours, **** hole ?!?

cause it's the same username!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Th3rdSun

How is it elitist?! I'm just pointing out the dexterity that it takes to dive a stick.If you can't figure that out and think it's "elitist",then that's on you.

Here's a test.Go to the gym and do an intense leg and calf work out,to the point to where actually walking feels like a chore.Hop into a car with MT and drive home.Next time do the exact same workout with the exact same results of fatigue,then hop into a car with AT and drive home. Post your results of which drive home was more physically challenging.

Too many people here seem to be getting butt hurt over something that they shouldn't based on people's opinions.Personally,I hate AT for sports cars,but that doesn't mean that anyone should be mad over my opinion.

Obviously the OP has some sort of regret for buying an AT over a MT,otherwise this thread wouldn't exist.Whether it be from the endless professional reviews that pretty much unanimously praise the MT over the AT,or maybe he just misses the feeling from driving a stick,it might be fair to say that the assumption is that he feels like he should've bought a MT.

At the end of the day,buy what you like and own that decision,because we live in a hyper critical world,and if you can't take anyone else's opinion without getting defensive and butthurt,then you are doing the internet wrong and should probably find other forums to post on.

Not your opinion that I object to. I respect anybody's opinion if it be MT or AT. It is the quasi science that you keep throwing up as proof that MT makes people a better driver that I am debating. There is just no real basis for your theories and they just come across as rationalization to support your personal preference.
Also think you may be reading my posts as written in anger when they really are not.

[Th3rdSun]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Not your opinion that I object to. I respect anybody's opinion if it be MT or AT. It is the quasi science that you keep throwing up as proof that MT makes people a better driver that I am debating. There is just no real basis for your theories and they just come across as rationalization to support your personal preference.
Also think you may be reading my posts as written in anger when they really are not.

Ok,let me rephrase it in case it comes across as me saying "better" driver and replace it with "more attentive.

Furthermore,it IS popular opinion (so take that for what it's worth) that learning to drive MT makes for better drivers,just search ANY article on the subject.Admittedly,the empirical data isn't very clear as there are too many variables to determine which has better or worse accident rates.

Even with that,your responses tell me that you are going against the opinion that many people are putting in front of you.There's an overwhelming feeling of many drivers that they feel that they are better drivers when in a MT car,yet because of your personal opinion,you want to discount all of theirs.

[Mr.Impreza]

Man, this thread is still alive haha

Automatic is great for vans and suvs
cvt's are great for gas mileage
paddle shifting is great for quick lap times.

But for overall best experience behind the wheel, manual will always be the best.