Still can't decide on AT or MT for your first FRS/BRZ? This may help...

[why?]

Originally Posted by TommyW

Drivers new to the track will learn driving dynamics faster with an auto\paddle car. When you throw shifting, heel\toe at threshold braking into the equation other, more important aspects of driving suffer. You CAN practice heel\toe on the street but doing it threshold braking is a lot different.

After a few track days the manual becomes a more engaging car, however. As far as lap times there is really no real difference. If there is it's too minor to make an impact.

As far as people saying a manual doesn't matter in traffic they've never experienced an hour of stop and go never getting out of first gear. If I'm faced with a drive with a lot of traffic I take my auto trans car.

I've experienced immense amounts of stop and go traffic while driving a manual. It is no big deal, in fact it gets absurdly easy as the only thing you really have to do is use the clutch to accelerate.

I have nothing against auto's, you can get some great deals on the twins in auto if you want to.

[meadowz06]

I had a manual FR-S, and it was great. But both my FR-S's now are automatic. I really enjoy using the paddles, and I enjoy the extra sport button. Very flexible transmission.

[meadowz06]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

Obviously manuals are for purists and track enthusiasts. But for those people that aren’t manual elitist fan boys. Here are the main differences/reasons manuals are “better”

Individual times may vary but roughly speaking
Manual 0-60 6.4sec auto 7.8sec. The 0-100 is about 1.5sec difference from MT vs AT.

However 0-60 with no launch just brake to pedal I believe MT is 7.9sec and AT is 8.1sec

So as you can see roughly 90% of the difference in 0-60 / 1/4mile is launching vs no launching. Meaning irrelevant in street driving unless stop light racing.

The last 10% difference is in MT gearing advantage. However a FD swap in AT can make
up for or potentially give the AT the advantage.

Shift speed the MT has a slightly higher max potential. I believe AT shifts in .3sec, the avg driver shifts in .4-.6 seconds however really good drivers can do .2sec. So for consistent easy mode shifting AT is better in that regard, but a really good driver can be slightly quicker.

Overall in regards to performance when launching is taken out, and the AT has a FD swap they are pretty much the same.

Great post. The auto shifts in 200 milliseconds per Toyota. But there is simply no way, a person can shift as fast as these new dual clutch transmission. Some are now at 30-40 milliseconds! Unreal.

[chipmunk]

In hindsight, dealing with throw-out bearing issues and clutch forks failing... AT might not have been a terrible idea.
As someone who finds it more rewarding to nail downshift-rev-matching on sportsbikes than on the BRZ, I feel like I could have lived just fine with an Auto, while getting all the kicks out of the R6.

[jflogerzi]

I am not a track driver but I will always drive manuals because I love to be engaged in the drive. I don't heel and toe but try to rev match the rpms on down shifts. If I am at the track I am there to have fun and not for the best lap times.

[Lantanafrs2]

If the car had more motor, id buy an auto. I waited 3 weeks for a red 6 speed in late 2012 cuz in my world small motor and manual trans go hand in hand.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

Obviously manuals are for purists and track enthusiasts. But for those people that aren’t manual elitist fan boys. Here are the main differences/reasons manuals are “better”.

One item you left out (at least for the '13). Auto will do 60MPH in second gear, MT requires 3rd. If they had bothered to give the AT launch capabilities it might actually be faster than the MT in 0-60, or at least much closer.

[korhun]

Hey this thread is awesome! Thank you @Moto-P

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

From Moto-san's info, you can switch em around (-down, +up to +down, -up), so that's not a problem.

I couldn't find this information. (Reversing the AT manual mode stick +,- behavior.) Can you help me please?

[86MLR]

Manual for people who can drive, automatics for people who cannot, oh, and tow cars, and millennials, and people with only 1 leg.

Ummmm, I truly cannot think of any other reason to drive a auto.....

[churchx]

Comfort.

[JD001]

^^^^Compromise^^^^

[churchx]

^^^^Everthing is. Different people prioritize different things and best compromise for each is different and certainly no people with different wishes/likes should be illspoken or shunned just because they are, well, different. Reading like "for people who cannot drive" and alike is what i'm talking about.

[JD001]

Originally Posted by churchx

^^^^Everthing is. Different people prioritize different things and best compromise for each is different and certainly no people with different wishes/likes should be illspoken or shunned just because they are, well, different. Reading like "for people who cannot drive" and alike is what i'm talking about.

Agree, I'm just thinking back to the time when Subaru released their UK press car to journalists. Car enthusiasts waited with bated breath.... and the car gets 3stars!! All because it was an auto!! The rating improved but the damage had been done!! I hope someone in the Subaru marketing/press department got a manual stick to sit on!!!

[86MLR]

People take things way to seriously, especially people who drive autos, and of course, millennials.