Tracking my daily driver

[Katsutoshi]

Hello!
I apologize if this topic has been addressed already, but I've never been able to get the search feature of this site to function very well for me. I have recently had the opportunity arise to run my '16 FR-S at a track event, and although my immediate reaction was to jump on it I had some people (non-car people) confront me saying it was a really bad idea since my car is my only car (and that I was likely to blow the engine). Now I have taken good care of my FR-S, and it only has about 25k on it, so I assume the risk level is low but...

My question is what is the risk level (high/medium/low) of mechanical failure for an event if I am running 4 30min sessions and a 20min session in the novice class?

Any questions you need to ask about me or my car to accurately answer, I'm an open book! I'm looking for either a validation or a wake up call.

Any forum or google links on this topic are appreciated as well!

Thank you all for your consideration

[86MLR]

From my experience, if you cannot afford to replace it, don't track it.

It's not just mechanical failures, it's more likely for some muppet to crash into you.

In saying that, autocross can be a ball, just don't bounce of the limiter or try to be drift king and you will have a ball.

On track days keep checking your mirrors, alot of track newbies crash, into walls, tyre barriers, other cars, themselves, and they lose control in the pits, on the track, exiting the track, corner entry, mid corner, exiting a corner, on the straight.

The amount of drivers who think they are good does not equate to how many actually know what they are doing, know what the flags/lights mean, be nice out there, don't act like a muppet.

Do a risk assessment, if you can lower or remove some of the risk, then risk it for the biscuit.

Do 2 warm up laps, then 3 fast laps, then 1 cool down lap, then another 3 fast, rinse and repeat, look for clean air, it's better to let they quick guys past before starting your fast laps, you might get lucky and get clean air for 1 or 2 laps, if your lucky.

Throw a instructor in your passenger seat ASAP, your first ever run would be a good time for an instructor.

Don't race against anyone, only try to improve your times, lines, braking, cornering, track position, but don't rush it, video footage is good for critiquing after the run, plus LOLS for when you do lose it, you must post so we can all laugh.

Everyone loses it

Do a skid....and have fun

[strat61caster]

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25485

Risk of your car failing if you don't do anything stupid (money shift, ignore fading brakes, etc): very low
Risk of your car spinning into a wall of you don't do anything stupid: very low

I'd say risk of mechanical failure is lower than risk of driver error in this car for the average newbie.

[Katsutoshi]

Thank you for all the intel, I definitely want an instructor with me. My only aim is to have fun! I have some experience in autocross, it's a blast, but to drive on a track is sort of a bucket list item that I don't know if I'll ever have an opportunity to do again. After talking to my friend who is a seasoned driver at the track I'm planning to go to it sounds like they require all the novices to have an instructor with them, which would hopefully limit the chances of stupid happening.

[i8ur911]

Is driving in track a risk? Yes. Is it more than a risk than driving in the street? IMO opinion, no. In fact, I feel MUCH safer driving on the track then driving on the street.

Also, the chances of blowing your motor are slim, but they are real.....especially if you're not familiar with what you're doing. Don't try to be a hero. No reason to shift every time at red line.

My advice would be to do it, but be smart. You're not out there to set any records. LISTEN TO YOUR INSTRUCTOR!!! If this club doesn't put an instructor in your car, then that's a huge mistake. Find one.

Go out there and have fun.......again, be smart.

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[CatDaddysBBQ]

I did this for years. I always knew it was foolish, and always tried to rein it in somewhat and not go H.A.M. with my grocery getter but some days I did better at self control than others. Still, that doesn't matter if somebody hits YOU, or you hit a patch of fluid that the other cars dropped, etc. Anything can happen regardless of how careful you are.

It's not my daily anymore. I still wouldn't say that I can afford to bin it and just throw it away, but at least i'll get to work the next day if something drastic happened to it.

I ALWAYS have a bit of anxiety when tracking - it never goes away for me. I still LOVE doing it and still do but i'll never be wealthy enough that I can look at a car and feel it's disposable.

As others have said - autoX is a nearly guilt-free alternative.

[EAGLE5]

Get an oil cooler. Make sure you have fresh, high temp brake fluid. No need to go expensive. Get track brake pads (not hybrids). Make sure your tires have life left. Check the oil. Then you should be fine.

[DarkSunrise]

As long as you can maintain your self control, you should be fine. It's not a race. Some drivers get that red mist and tunnel vision, losing sight of reality. At the end of the day, the only trophy you go home with is your car.

If you keep that in mind, you should be fine. Keep your eyes up and look where you want to go. Don't focus on the car in front of you or that's where you will go.

As jsimon mentioned, make sure your brake pads and fluid are solid. I boiled my brake fluid my first track day and it's not fun not knowing whether you can slow down at the end of a 100+ mph straight. Oil cooler is nice to have, but if you're a novice, you should be ok without it. Probably throw a 0w30 or 5w30 oil in there to be safe.

Have fun!

[Katsutoshi]

All this feedback is fantastic! Thank you all! I plan to do an oil change before track day (using my preferred brand of Amsoil) and replace my brake fluid with type200. Like I said before doing this, and especially with this car, is a dream come true. I don't care all that much about going fast, imho that's not what the FR-S is about, just having fun in a safe controlled environment!

[TommyW]

You won't be driving 10\10 so don't worry about it. Most track days are very safe. Point by passing in designated places on the track. You don't have to go to redline every shift, in fact you'll be faster in some instances in a taller gear anyway.

The main thing is not to be intimidated by track days. You approach it within your own comfort zone. Too many people have the impression that it's a free for all destruction derby type of deal and it's nothing like that especially in the novice groups. You'll have an instructor and you'll leave trac control on. Go out and have fun and plan on going down the rabbit hole.

If you enjoy it and plan on doing it again get an oil cooler. Before your first day get track brake pads and the correct high temp fluid.

[strat61caster]

You can buy insurance to lessen the blow of walking away from a wrecked car.

https://locktonmotorsports.com/hpde-insurance/

There are other companies that offer coverage as well.

Edit: imho I tracked knowing I could lose my car, I couldn't afford another 86 at the time but knew I had the cash to buy a Miata or something within a week and my life wouldn't grind to a halt. I agree with Angel, autocross is great car control practice, I stopped doing hpde because I found autocross more fun.

[AngelGT86Racer]

Track is a bit of a different animal from mountains and such, but shouldn't be unapproachable. I have friends who, after years, I'm still trying to convince to come tracking with me. It's heaps of fun, but all about safety at the end of the day. I think the FR-S is a pretty reliable car for tracking. Check your oil between sessions. Make sure your brakes are up to the task. Definitely recommend doing brake fluid, something DOT4 like ATE 200 or Motul RBF600/660. Check lug torque between sessions. Take it easy when you're starting out and learn the track and braking zones, efficient lines etc, before worrying about going fast. Safety and awareness are first and foremost. I'd always recommend an instructor, whether you're beginner or high intermediate.

A side note, but I'd also look into some local autox events if you want to get your feet wet in closed course events. The environment is pretty different from track, it's more time trial in style and with different dynamics. I'm somewhat active in both and enjoy both for different reasons. The FR-S is a riot of a car for that as well.
Have fun out there.

My .02.

[finch1750]

If you cant afford to walk away from a totalled car, I wouldn't do it.

Buy track insurance if need be. Is it likely to happen? No. But it can happen.

[CrowsFeast]

Do it. It's a ton of fun and typically pretty low risk if you're doing it right.
-Maintain the car (oil change, brake fluid change, as you're doing)
-Drive within your comfort limits
-pick tracks with good run off area to limit the risk of hitting a wall
-pick well organized groups who use designated passing areas with point by only AND WHO FOLLOW THEM.

Sounds like you've got the maintenance thing covered and if the group is giving you an instructor then that should be a good organization to run with. Watch some onboard videos of people at the track to see if there's good run off area (also a good idea to learn the track and lines prior to arrival). Most importantly; obey your own driving ability. I don't care if someone catches you in a Echo; forget your ego and give them a point by (in the designated zones and lift throttle early if they need it) both they and you will have a better and safer day because of it.