Will there ever be a cheap tuning solution for the GR86 after Cobb's announcement?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Well, then I guess we are likely to see most serious motorsports end. Either that or teams will need to get creative with what they are working with and will need to produce everything in house and retrofit OEM products.

Enthusiasts will need to stick to stock cars that already make lots of power and focus on aero, or just get into the stance game or show-n-shine. I mean there is little stopping a person from welding a test pipe after removing the cat only to swap stock headers back on the car for a smog test, especially if the state won’t enforce the law rigorously like they currently don’t. In five to ten more years there should be enough cheap Hellcats for young enthusiasts to afford to do donuts behind my house.

When/if they start vigorously enforcing end user contraventions the first thing the "enthusiasts" need to do is stop getting loud exhausts and pop tunes. There is nothing quite as dumb as knowing you have a target on your back and then running around screaming "OVER HERE LOOK AT ME HEY HEY HEY CHECK ME OUT". It already stands out so it will be much much worse as the penalties get higher and make it worth the police enforcing.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Motorsports (both pro and amateur) may change a bit but they will survive. You just won't be able to drive your track car on the roads to get there. You will need to haul it with your ultra green vehicle that leaves the air it passes through cleaner than it was when you got there.

There are groups fighting to maintain motorsports and since they are such a big tradition all around the world they do have some clout.

https://www.sema.org/epa-news

I’m just saying that almost all motorsport use illegal parts under this law, so the sport won’t exist as it is or close to how it is. The only top motorsport that could survive with little difference is maybe motorcycle racing like MotoGP or WSBK; they wouldn’t exist in the same way, but OEM motorbikes are so fast that it may not make a huge difference to the spectators what they are seeing in lap times and top speeds.

For other motorsports, even if they allow the vehicles to race, they would need to design everything in house because they won’t find a manufacturer who produces aftermarket fuel cells, fuel surge tanks, larger injectors, fuel rails, forced induction, fuel pressure regulators. They will need to use 16 OEM injectors for their 4 cylinder and six turbos from an 18 wheeler all retrofitted with in-house CNC products run off an in-house, proprietary engine management system.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

When/if they start vigorously enforcing end user contraventions the first thing the "enthusiasts" need to do is stop getting loud exhausts and pop tunes. There is nothing quite as dumb as knowing you have a target on your back and then running around screaming "OVER HERE LOOK AT ME HEY HEY HEY CHECK ME OUT". It already stands out so it will be much much worse as the penalties get higher and make it worth the police enforcing.

But the police don’t really enforce it now. They are too short staffed to care about tint or noise pollution laws. I can sit at a busy intersection and in just a minute could point out a dozen or more cars with illegal equipment. The states may not have laws anyways, so it would be up to the federal government to enforce their laws.

I’m just saying that there is little to stop people from being obnoxious in masses unless the governments truly commits with a lot of resources, so manufacturers and motorsports are taking the real hit.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

But the police don’t really enforce it now. They are too short staffed to care about tint or noise pollution laws. I can sit at a busy intersection and in just a minute could point out a dozen or more cars with illegal equipment. The states may not have laws anyways, so it would be up to the federal government to enforce their laws.

I’m just saying that there is little to stop people from being obnoxious in masses unless the governments truly commits with a lot of resources, so manufacturers and motorsports are taking the real hit.

Just wait for the EPA task forces to be deployed!

Will they look like this


Or this

[Lantanafrs2]

The only thing that can kill motor sports would be Redbull and monster putting their money somewhere else.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

The only thing that can kill motor sports would be Redbull and monster putting their money somewhere else.

No Redbull or Monster.

[x808drifter]

This is how I look at it.

Fireworks are banned in Hawaii. That includes sparklers and morning glories. Need a permit for firecracker strands.

This has been in effect for over a decade.
This is what it's like every year.
Customs means jack shit.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

but for all intensive purposes

Intents and purposes, you filthy philistine.

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

It is the opening salvo. You really think they are going to control "powered brooms" while letting you buy whatever you want for your car?
I am not going to deep dive into Australian law but would be willing to bet there have been strong emissions control laws for tunes and exhausts for some time there. The fact that they are currently largely ignored doesn't mean it will stay that way.

There isn't a law that can target the sale of tuning devices, you as the owner off a vehicle can still be done at any moment by failing to pass emissions though.

Again, its not like the US - the EPA and its legal devices are some of the most powerful written into US law.

As the number of electric cars increase, particularly with worldwide sale bans of ICE then there is much less of an impact vs the money involved in enforcing it, so I really don't know if it gets worse - perhaps? Its hard to say, but certainly, you could be right about what happens in the future in other countries.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by x808drifter

This is how I look at it.

Fireworks are banned in Hawaii. That includes sparklers and morning glories. Need a permit for firecracker strands.

This has been in effect for over a decade.
This is what it's like every year.
Customs means jack shit.

fireworks are banned in illinois as well. but sparklers are allowed. not really any different there though come 4th of july.

big difference in this example though is that there's really only 1 time every year where people really want to use them on 4th of july.

in illinois trying to do fireworks any other time, the police come down pretty hard on it. they also come down on the idiots on 4th of july as well that attempt to host big private shows as well and make a media circus out of the confiscation.

modded cars/tunes are quickly becoming everyday occurrences, which are becoming more of a nuisance to me than fireworks..

i can deal with a mild exhaust, or a higher pressure blow off valve, but pop tunes especially are really getting on my nerves. and there's a diesel truck in my area that's got the most obnoxious turbo whine ever. i can hear when he goes by, and i'm about 8 blocks away from the main road.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by soundman98

fireworks are banned in illinois as well. but sparklers are allowed. not really any different there though come 4th of july.

big difference in this example though is that there's really only 1 time every year where people really want to use them on 4th of july.

in illinois trying to do fireworks any other time, the police come down pretty hard on it. they also come down on the idiots on 4th of july as well that attempt to host big private shows as well and make a media circus out of the confiscation.

modded cars/tunes are quickly becoming everyday occurrences, which are becoming more of a nuisance to me than fireworks..

i can deal with a mild exhaust, or a higher pressure blow off valve, but pop tunes especially are really getting on my nerves. and there's a diesel truck in my area that's got the most obnoxious turbo whine ever. i can hear when he goes by, and i'm about 8 blocks away from the main road.

Pop tunes now make me more upset than seeing stance cars that use barely an inch of tire tread. Unfortunately, these usually go hand in hand though.

I can’t wait for the electric car meets when everyone is doing RGB and playing Fortnite on their head unit.

[Arthur-A]

People complaining about loud exhausts on a sports car forum, lol. What a joke. Yet no one has mentioned that there's a campaign to support true enthusiasts and save motorsports:
https://theshopmag.com/news/turn-14-...s-to-racecars/

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Arthur-A

People complaining about loud exhausts on a sports car forum, lol. What a joke. Yet no one has mentioned that there's a campaign to support true enthusiasts and save motorsports:
https://theshopmag.com/news/turn-14-...s-to-racecars/

Ummm did you read back or just skim the last couple of posts? Beyond a couple of recent references the discussion has not been around loud exhausts but overall modding that impacts emissions. Not only did I mention the campaign to preserve motorsports several times I linked to a site twice. Not sure that Turn 14 is going to have much lobbying power beyond making the local news.
And who the hell are these "true enthusiasts" you speak of? They the 18 year old hairbun crowd running around with pop tunes and general being d!icks that draw attention to the issue by annoying everybody else?

[bcj]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

No Redbull or Monster.

Deere has no user serviceable parts.

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