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Old 05-01-2020, 12:02 PM   #29
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Yeah that Skyline GT-R, what a meh vehicle
Nissan has lost their way due to a lot of factors, extreme mismanagement one of them. But they have over the years produced some of the very best sports cars from Japan. I mean Toyota has never had a real answer to the Skyline GT-R. The Supra used to be in that class, but not any more.
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Nissan overall as a company, ESPECIALLY TODAY, meh.

Have they put out some good cars, undoubtedly... but the 70s and 90s are a long time ago. Even the R35 is a great car but... it's not the same.
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Old 05-01-2020, 12:21 PM   #30
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would love to see some elements of design from these renders!
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You forgot its biggest problem. At 8/10ths it feels great and super capable, but if you drive it at the limit it feels like a mess. Suddenly it’s all over the place and you have no idea what the wheels are doing. The twins on the other hand inspire confidence even at 11/10ths.

Oh and the interior. Jesus. The steering wheel is lifted straight from my mom’s 2010 Maxima. The whole interior makes the BRZ feel like a Porsche inside.
Having owned a 350z, I can't really disagree with you. On paper, the 350z (and especially the 370z) should be pretty amazing cars. RWD, V6, 280-333 hp, 3200-3400 lbs, double-wishbone suspension F/R, V-LSD, 53/47 weight distribution. In reality, they somehow don't drive as well as they should. Interior is dated, engine feels rough, the driving position is not great, big blind spots, car feels heavy, etc. They're not bad cars, just not as good as they should be.
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That blue render is gorgeous.




Having owned a 350z, I can't really disagree with you. On paper, the 350z (and especially the 370z) should be pretty amazing cars. RWD, V6, 280-333 hp, 3200-3400 lbs, double-wishbone suspension F/R, V-LSD, 53/47 weight distribution. In reality, they somehow don't drive as well as they should. Interior is dated, engine feels rough, the driving position is not great, big blind spots, car feels heavy, etc. They're not bad cars, just not as good as they should be.
Exactly how I feel. On paper they both sound like a slam dunk.

I never drove the 350Z when it came out but I always really liked it. When I was looking for a sports car in 2016 I found a low mileage 2005 Performance. It looked perfect, well maintained, only 30K on the clock, and the exact spec I wanted.

I drove it and lost all interest in the car. Drove a 370 to see if it was better but it was mostly the same. Very capable but not very confidence inspiring, not as exciting as it should be.

I drove a BRZ and after 2 hard turns I turned back to the dealership and said I'll take it.
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Exactly how I feel. On paper they both sound like a slam dunk.

I never drove the 350Z when it came out but I always really liked it. When I was looking for a sports car in 2016 I found a low mileage 2005 Performance. It looked perfect, well maintained, only 30K on the clock, and the exact spec I wanted.

I drove it and lost all interest in the car. Drove a 370 to see if it was better but it was mostly the same. Very capable but not very confidence inspiring, not as exciting as it should be.

I drove a BRZ and after 2 hard turns I turned back to the dealership and said I'll take it.
Yeah it's interesting how the BRZ is kind of the opposite. Pretty underwhelming on paper, but drives much better than its stats would indicate.
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I work near, and drive by at least twice a day, Z1 Motorsports so I get to see a lot of modded late model Zs, including two dozen or more in their parking lot.

I just can't bring myself to like them. I loved the 240Z and 280Z. and sort of liked the 300Z. They lost me at the 300ZX though.

What? The commercial didn't hook you?


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I have owned a 280Z which I considered a sports car. Then, later, I owned a 350Z. That car was more like a Japanese version of the American muscle cars. I sort of felt the same about the two Supra that I owned. I considered all three of those more of a GT car or highway cruiser than a sports car because they all had big HP but were softly sprung and had questionable handling when pushed hard.

With Nissan having recently had all the drama with Ghosn, they have to do something to remake their image and try to salvage the company. If they maintain the status quo they are done for, so perhaps a shiny new halo car with a link to their glory days would help.

I would rather see them build a truly lightweight sports car reminiscent of the 240Z but as someone else pointed out, today's sporty car buyers are all about 0-60, 1/4 mile times, HP numbers and top speed. Ya gotta have the numbers for street cred, bro!

We will just have to wait and see what happens.
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Interviewer: ...what about the rest of the powertrain?
Every swapper: So yeah, I'll be using a CD009 for the transmission.
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Interviewer: ...what about the rest of the powertrain?
Every swapper: So yeah, I'll be using a CD009 for the transmission.
I'll say this. The transmission was a joy to operate in the 350Z.
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I really like my Nissan as much as my FR-S. It's quicker and more powerful with a quieter interior and more features, but also heavier and not as good handling on road... offroad an entirely different story with the aftermarket suspension I installed...I like it better than it's equivalent Toyota counterpart, which I use to own as well.

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C&D is at least semi-credible still, they posit a realistic vehicle by taking the Infiniti chassis and slapping a MT in it that will likely end up touching $40k as a pony car competitor. It's at least plausible instead of some bullshit about a brand new chassis and I6 motor or detuned GTR V6 making 400 hp and weighing less than 2500 lbs or whatever.

As above this doesn't bode well for a vehicle to be more than the sum of it's parts so, glad they're still trying but meh. And I think they have a good niche as sitting between the Pony cars and the 86/ND in terms of power and weight, they just need to make it exciting somehow.


As for using the R35 as evidence Nissan doesn't suck; that just proves they haven't done anything interesting in over 10 years.
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I wouldn't call the 400Z "new" or even a "sports car". 400Z will share a platform with the Infiniti Q60 which has been available since 2017. The Q60 is based on the Q50 which is even older and on top of that the Q50 is based on the G35 from 2001: A Space Odyssey.

In all seriousness, modern Nissan RWD cars are based on the Nissan FM Platform that debuted at the turn of the millennium; but I'm pretty sure it has been modified and updated. That being said, it's still a very old platform and may not fully benefit from the latest developments in weight reduction, crash safety and refinement.

What the Q60/50 (and Infinitis in general) do have going for them is that they have really good lease deals and sales incentives and I'm talking pre-pandemic days. This is likely a result of being able to amortize the R&D cost of a vehicle platform for 20 years.

The final point against the 400Z returning to being a true sports car is the IDX concept from 2013. Nissan ultimately ended the IDX project because the factory that builds the 370Z, Q60/50 could not be modified to build a small RWD platform that the IDX would require.
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C&D is at least semi-credible still, they posit a realistic vehicle by taking the Infiniti chassis and slapping a MT in it that will likely end up touching $40k as a pony car competitor. It's at least plausible instead of some bullshit about a brand new chassis and I6 motor or detuned GTR V6 making 400 hp and weighing less than 2500 lbs or whatever.

As above this doesn't bode well for a vehicle to be more than the sum of it's parts so, glad they're still trying but meh. And I think they have a good niche as sitting between the Pony cars and the 86/ND in terms of power and weight, they just need to make it exciting somehow.


As for using the R35 as evidence Nissan doesn't suck; that just proves they haven't done anything interesting in over 10 years.

It is hard to best the GTR. That has been the case for a long time. If interesting is defined by performance then Nissan is no different than many manufactures that have instead focused on emissions (Nissan Leaf), economy (VC-Turbo) and safety assistance technologies.

https://www.nissan-global.com/EN/TEC...bo_engine.html

https://www.torquenews.com/1080/infi...ars-innovation
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It is hard to best the GTR. That has been the case for a long time. If interesting is defined by performance then Nissan is no different than many manufactures that have instead focused on emissions (Nissan Leaf), economy (VC-Turbo) and safety assistance technologies.

https://www.nissan-global.com/EN/TEC...bo_engine.html

https://www.torquenews.com/1080/infi...ars-innovation
So your evidence is research in an engine technology that has not yet hit the roads and Infiniti's safety features? You're right, every company is doing shit like that.

However every other major manufacturer has put out a new/significantly updated sporty fun car in the last decade, most within the last 5 years, even Nissan's partner Renault keeps the Megane up to date and came out with the Alpine A110, Nissan hasn't done shit.

Toyota - Zupra 2019, GR4 Yaris
VAG - Porsche - 991, 981, Taycan, MQB GTI/Golf R got updated in 2019, TT, Audi R/S# etc.
Hyundai - Stinger, Veloster N
GM - Camaro got lighter with improved suspension
Ford - Focus RS, Mustang w/ IRS, GT Mk3
Honda - S660, NSX, updated Civic Si/R
FCA - Fiata, Giulia, Viper, Demon/Hellcat, Ferraris I guess idk

Nissan/Infiniti are still producing the same tired shit from last decade when it comes to fun cars. The 370Z replacement looks to be no different, a day late and a dollar short.
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