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Old 05-01-2020, 08:41 AM   #15
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very analog feeling, visceral, great power, and just plain fun. The downsides are terrible visibility and almost no cargo space at all (it's a hatchback, but the space is barely 6 inches deep). Plus most of the Nissan dealers I visited were complete sleaze, which was the final turn off.
You forgot its biggest problem. At 8/10ths it feels great and super capable, but if you drive it at the limit it feels like a mess. Suddenly it’s all over the place and you have no idea what the wheels are doing. The twins on the other hand inspire confidence even at 11/10ths.

Oh and the interior. Jesus. The steering wheel is lifted straight from my mom’s 2009 Maxima. The whole interior makes the BRZ feel like a Porsche inside.

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You forgot its biggest problem. At 8/10ths it feels great and super capable, but if you drive it at the limit it feels like a mess. Suddenly itís all over the place and you have no idea what the wheels are doing. The twins on the other hand inspire confidence even at 11/10ths.

Oh and the interior. Jesus. The steering wheel is lifted straight from my momís 2010 Maxima. The whole interior makes the BRZ feel like a Porsche inside.
It is the drag from those door handles!
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I work near, and drive by at least twice a day, Z1 Motorsports so I get to see a lot of modded late model Zs, including two dozen or more in their parking lot.

I just can't bring myself to like them. I loved the 240Z and 280Z. and sort of liked the 300Z. They lost me at the 300ZX though.
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" Our sneak preview of the most exciting cars coming in the next few years draws on knowledge from leaked product-development plans, spy photos, and loose-lipped insiders mixed in with information that has already been officially released."

Translated - "We made this shit up YO"
right, we haven't even see any camo prototypes driving around.
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350 and 370 z cars are meh at best. Nissan as a company is meh at best. 400z that probably wont happen, meh.
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I'll go with the meh for the 350-370 line as well. Never cared for the styling. I had a 91 Z32,, bought it used with 17K on it for $15K. Loved the car. Hatch was great,, I could put a 4x8 sheet of plywood in it. Drove it to 120K miles and maintenance became an issue so sold it.
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These ones are my favorite renderings of the 400Z: https://www.motor1.com/news/418986/2...00z-rendering/

There is no way this thing is coming out next year, though. I always liked the 350Z, but I think they went wrong with the 370Z.

It would be great if this does actually come out eventually. It would be awesome to see some real competition in the affordable sports car market (Supra, Z, 86, etc.) There are rumors of a new Mazda sport coupe, too.
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I just can't bring myself to like them. I loved the 240Z and 280Z. and sort of liked the 300Z. They lost me at the 300ZX though.
???? There was never any 300Z... There was the Z31 300ZX, which was still kinda light (at least not obscenely overweight) but ugly as sin, and the Z32 300ZX, which was drop-dead gorgeous but also way overweight.

240Z is the only Z, for me...
400Z is another step in the wrong direction. Z needs to lose about 500 lb. WAY more than it needs turbos and 400hp...
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Nobody cares about lightweight anymore. They just look at the brochure for power figures and 0-60 times.


I briefly looked at a 370z when shopping for the 86. Intially it was tempting, as the base car was the same price. I then I decided against it as it wasn't as practical, and I wanted to check to many boxes which would have inflated the cost.
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Z needs to lose about 500 lb. WAY more than it needs turbos and 400hp...
Rebirth the S chassis with the Z name. Share the car with Mercedes for the SLK (like the X class/Frontier, Z4/Supra, 86/BRZ, Miata/124). It's the only way to make an affordable new sports car these days. A light turbo4 Z would fit with the times.

Alas Nissan hasn't made any good decisions in 15 years. Not gonna magically start happening now.
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???? There was never any 300Z... There was the Z31 300ZX, which was still kinda light (at least not obscenely overweight) but ugly as sin, and the Z32 300ZX, which was drop-dead gorgeous but also way overweight.
Well, technically you are correct. I was thinking of the Z31 First gen ZX) which still looked a little like the 240/280 before it overdid the steroids and morphed into whatever the Z32 was supposed to be. I personally consider the Z31 the last "Z" because you could still see the lineage a little bit.
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Well, technically you are correct. I was thinking of the Z31 First gen ZX) which still looked a little like the 240/280 before it overdid the steroids and morphed into whatever the Z32 was supposed to be. I personally consider the Z31 the last "Z" because you could still see the lineage a little bit.
Z31 wasn't the "first gen ZX"! The S130 280ZX replaced the S30 280Z in 1979.

While the 280ZX did look somewhat like the S30 Zs, the Z31 300ZX doesn't look anything at all like them! The much shorter V6 engine eliminate the need for an extremely long hoo and way set-forward front wheels. Not necessarily a bad thing, but the 80s squaretastic styling was bad when new and has not aged well at all... The Z32 was a MUCH better-looking car, but weight jacked up to 3400-3600 lb., yikes...
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350 and 370 z cars are meh at best. Nissan as a company is meh at best. 400z that probably wont happen, meh.

Yeah that Skyline GT-R, what a meh vehicle
Nissan has lost their way due to a lot of factors, extreme mismanagement one of them. But they have over the years produced some of the very best sports cars from Japan. I mean Toyota has never had a real answer to the Skyline GT-R. The Supra used to be in that class, but not any more.
I for one hope Nissan can get back to their roots.


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Z31 wasn't the "first gen ZX"! The S130 280ZX replaced the S30 280Z in 1979. .
I'm not a Z historian nor a really true fan, it was just my personal opinion, so I'll defer to your greater knowledge and leave it at "I know what I like when I see it, and that's where it stopped"

Nissan basically became dead to me when they decided to tease but never produce the MID-4.
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