Edelbrock E-force Owner's thread and FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions)

[jayjay06]

Yeah, 60-80lb range I think.


Edit:
60lbs manifold
81lbs total parts
Per:
https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show....php?p=2406569

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[BR-ZED]

Originally Posted by jayjay06

3. I tried using the no spill funnel, but of course mine didn't come with the right attachment to fit the surge. So I just turned key to on to get pump running and kept filling it up. It sucked it down a couple times, so just started over. I'm sure I had a little air in there, but if you read line 8 of the purge, it notes over time the air will escape into the surge. I had to add coolant after a couple times running, so that tells me air is purging.

Which one did you order? I want to make sure I get a different one then lol. Saw a handful on Amazon. If the one I get fits I'll report back here

[toast]

Originally Posted by Kodename47

Why get a second TMAP? Why not just an IAT sensor, likely to be cheaper....

I don't know what the response curve of whatever IAT sensor you might buy is, I do know that the tmap sensor response curve is what is expected by the tune.

Saving $20 isn't worth having to have the tune adjusted.

[jayjay06]

Originally Posted by BR-ZED

Which one did you order? I want to make sure I get a different one then lol. Saw a handful on Amazon. If the one I get fits I'll report back here

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The radiator cap fit the radiator fill for doing the JR Dual Rad/OC, but none of the caps worked for the surge tank on Edelbrock LTR.

[Kodename47]

Originally Posted by toast

I don't know what the response curve of whatever IAT sensor you might buy is, I do know that the tmap sensor response curve is what is expected by the tune.

Saving $20 isn't worth having to have the tune adjusted.

My IAT sensor uses the same curve as OEM (I believe it's Bosch), so do most Bosch TMAPs that I'm aware of.

In fact, after a quick search part number 0 280 130 085 has an identical output to their TMAPS and is the same wire type as I run.

[Hikari1]

Anyone else had any issues with LSPI? I've had my kit on for about a month now, tuned by delicious about a week after running the supplied Edelbrock tune, I noticed a bit of light bogging around 2000RPM under light acceleration, like 10%. Talked to Bill and he almost immediately sent me some documentation on the heart of the issue as well as a revised tune. It seems to have gone away now.

Overall my experience with the kit was super easy, managed to get it on with 1 helped over the course of 8 hours, spent the next day topping up fluids and bleeding stuff. Delicious was fantastic as well, I can't recommend Bill and Nazar enough.

I've got the kit combined with Tomei UEL header, Tomei Overpipe, HKS dual resonated front pipe, and FT86SF V1 exhaust. Previously ran an Invidia catless front pipe and if I so much as even looked at the throttle pedal I heard the sound of a thousand murder hornets coming from the exhaust. Sounds much better since the HKS front-pipe, hoping the welds don't crack...

[CSG Mike]

You shouldn't have any LSPI issues whatsoever. If that occurs, that's a tuning error.

However, downshift. The engine doesn't like being loaded up at low rpms.

[tomm.brz]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

You shouldn't have any LSPI issues whatsoever. If that occurs, that's a tuning error.

However, downshift. The engine doesn't like being loaded up at low rpms.

No critique here, but if he was tuned by delicious before the LSPI modification they did on lates version... he was then probably tuned by your actual company tuner!

LSPI is legitimately hard to keep off with boost on this car with stock compression ratio, unless you heavily retard ignition timing on transient (and you feel this temporary lack of torque somehow) and possibly play with PI injection timing

Are the newer sn+/dexos2 oils really as helpful for LSPI as they claim anyway? normally i use 0w40 but there isn t any with that rating

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by tomm.brz

No critique here, but if he was tuned by delicious before the LSPI modification they did on lates version... he was then probably tuned by your actual company tuner!

LSPI is legitimately hard to keep off with boost on this car with stock compression ratio, unless you heavily retard ignition timing on transient (and you feel this temporary lack of torque somehow) and possibly play with PI injection timing

Are the newer sn+/dexos2 oils really as helpful for LSPI as they claim anyway? normally i use 0w40 but there isn t any with that rating

There was never any LSPI to begin with

I'd find it difficult to believe an oil can somehow influence what's going on in the combustion chamber of a healthy engine.

[tomm.brz]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

There was never any LSPI to begin with

I'd find it difficult to believe an oil can somehow influence what's going on in the combustion chamber of a healthy engine.

well, then you mean you re stating you re sure his Delicious tune that is presenting LSPI knocks was nt done by Zach, even if Zach was probably the main tuner at that time

Also, oil is going to be mixed somehow to the charge as soon as DI fires up, so it becomes parts of combustion

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by tomm.brz

well, then you mean you re stating you re sure his Delicious tune that is presenting LSPI knocks was nt done by Zach, even if Zach was probably the main tuner at that time

Also, oil is going to be mixed somehow to the charge as soon as DI fires up, so it becomes parts of combustion

How?

[tomm.brz]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

How?

just 2 first links on google are good to me

https://www.jstor.org/stable/26278010?seq=1
https://www.sae.org/publications/tec.../2015-01-2811/

also, both Zach and Delicious use earlier DI injection , earlier also than stock, for high load and medium and high rpm while keeping PI fixed @360 degrees that causes surely more impingment on pistons?
it's true though that LSPI = lower rpm and there there is always later injection, but
if charge can dilute oil film and go past ring seals, then oil film can dilute charge to me

[CSG Mike]

Accurate articles, but not really applicable as LSPI primarily is for low rpm high boost, as stated directly in your linked publications. An edelbrock is not trying to push 1bar+ at 2500 rpms. It's barely making perhaps 0.2 bar, being generous.

[devtec]

Just an update on the MAP sensor relocation re fuel economy. My commute is about 80/20 highway/city and 20 miles each way.


Previous to MAP relocation: 25.8mpg

After MAP relocation: 30.7mpg

Bone Stock before s/c: 28.5mpg


I know the fuel economy indicator isn't the most reliable, but the delta does seem real.