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Personally, I think it's good in most scientific endeavors to have skeptics. After all, "science" is not always right nor does it have all the answers. Just because scientific method is applied to the discovery or explanation of something does not mean, at any point in time, the result is accurate.
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It is commonly stated that it is a contrived number by whom? That seems to be the counter narrative, but saying it is contrived could be true, or it could be necessary to try to discredit and dissuade in the face of such scientific agreement. As mentioned, this was the playbook of big tobacco to try to discredit scientists and dissuade people from accepting the scientific consensus.
I would say go to the papers that have analyzed the literature and decide from yourself over a Forbes article, if you want to reconcile two contradictory positions: https://www.pnas.org/doi/pdf/10.1073/pnas.1003187107 Quote:
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That Forbes article was from 2015, and the temperature data was up to 2010. This is up to 2021 showing a significant jump from the “flat” spot. The trend seems pretty linear.
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also worth noting wattsupwiththat is a climate denial website
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These numbers aren’t small, but even if only 2% are strong believers that the earth is flat, only 1.7% identify as gay or lesbian, and I know plenty of them because there are millions of them. https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...might-be-flat/ https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.e...y-people-lgbt/ As science advances with more and more evidence, overarching theories to explain the world are proposed like String Theory vs Loop Quantum Gravity Theory. These theories or models for explaining nature gets challenged by more data and studies, as the predictive powers of the theories gets tested. Eventually, a single model emerges like Darwin’s Theory of Evolution by Natural and Sexual Selection that is so robust and so powerful in its predictive abilities that it becomes an adopted Scientific Theory. Climate science may not have a need for a grand theory, but the models themselves will get more and more robust over time at their ability to predict what long term warming trends will come from anthropogenic factors. At this point, the evidence is robust enough for the scientists who study the subject, as it was to scientists relative to the public of the past, as it pertains to the Darwinian Theory, for instance. Over time, the public will catch up to the scientists when the counter claims have lost their credibility in the face of the avalanche of data that eventually overwhelms any opposition. This has historically played out many times, and I won’t be surprised to see it happen again.
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great summary of the flat earth shit and why its mostly disappeared in the past few years |
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It always has been and remains a barrier. It's just no longer insurmountable by current technology.
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Would you like to try expanding on the point you are trying to make?
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TommyW hasn't really participated much in this thread, so I don't know if he is truly unaware of what I have said or unaware of the entire body of evidence that has been presented in this thread. Regardless, his statement is fallacious on its own because his argument presupposes that the presenter, by presenting only A, is unaware of B or is ignoring B for the sake of making an argument. Even if this was likely done in bad faith, I think it is worth pointing out because many people don't understand logic fallacies. For them, a fallacious argument can sound as good as an argument that is sound and logical. If that is the case then it is worth clarifying whether we have a knowledge deficit or someone who is being a jerk. I'll assume the former until it is more obvious he is the latter. He could be trying to make a specific point that the presenter hasn't considered the temperature over billions of years, which is almost irrelevant because obviously climate scientists have considered it because that is precisely what they study, and they still conclude we have anthropogenic climate change. He could be trying to say that scientists are just cherrypicking this period because they are tree-hugging alarmists, or because they are pawns who must do as their financial backers wish, and bla bla bla conspiracy theories, but if he said that, it is a point that is, as it sounds, full of conspiracy theories and not demonstrable, so that could be why we got just a bad one liner. I prefer to identify those that are just guilty of lazy thinking with those that are conspiracy theorists, so that is also part of why I replied.
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