Official: Toyota FT-1 Concept / First New Supra Prototype Spotted!

[nextcar]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

I live in California and the only camo-cars I see are electric hatchbacks.

Not fair.

Move to Port Hueneme: that is where these pictures were taken!

[krayzie]

Thus far it's not looking nicer than the old 4th gen Supra. I hope it's the camo that's throwing it off but the proportions look really off.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by krayzie

Thus far it's not looking nicer than the old 4th gen Supra. I hope it's the camo that's throwing it off but the proportions look really off.

The 90s were the pinnacle of automotive design. Nothing will ever look as good.

[gymratter]

i think the proportions are close to the MK4

[BcRuZn]

I had high hopes for this. Don't let me down Toyota!!

[gymratter]

I wanted to get this thread up before I forget a lot of what the Toyota rep, Dave, told us last night at dinner.

First, I'll do my best to recap his credibility. This guy was involved with product development of the 200 Series Land Cruiser about 10 years ago. He worked with the Toyota engineers in Japan and in many other countries on various continents, testing every aspect of the 200.

Interestingly, he also is involved with product development for just about every other North American market Toyota as well, so he had some interesting insight into Toyota product planning, development, and execution.

This guy was great - the real deal - and he patiently answered a LOT of our questions. Here's some of the info we gathered from him:

Skipped a bunch of blah blah blah...

- Any info on the upcoming Toyota Supra?
-- Release date early 2019; should have north of 400hp, expect a manual option. Dave would not comment on powertrain other than to indicate it was a joint build with BMW and it will NOT be using BMW's ubiquitous 3.0 twin turbo inline 6. He said it may have a 3.5 v6 turbo and there may be a hybrid variant.

That's most of what I recall from the conversation. An important, if not somewhat disturbing takeway, was that Toyota doesn't really build vehicles FOR the off-road enthusiast. Certainly not to the degree many of the LCDC members use their trucks. I took from Dave's conversation with us that Toyota wants their vehicles to be tough and last forever, but that actual capability is lower on the list for them. The main reason is liability (from what I gathered) - the more capable you build and market the vehicle, the more likely you are to get sued when people flip it, roll it or otherwise make poor decisions.

Dave specifically said that when they were developing the 200, they wanted to make sure the vehicle had a "normal service life" - but that it could and would have that normal service life in the harshest of environments; even environments that don't even have roads.

I hope that helps - please chime in if you were there and I missed some things!

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[vh_supra26]

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http://www.supramkv.com/threads/2018...-throttle.647/

[krayzie]

Sounds like a Bimmer turbo lawn mower.

[vh_supra26]

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by gymratter

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Ehhh. So BMW is providing what? A hybrid power train? Yea because Toyota doesn't have any experience with hybrids. Maybe the turbo v6 engine? Nope, BMW doesn't have any of those. I'm sure the hybrid idea will make for a light weight car, since that has been the talk. The NSX is 3800lbs and that is with some pretty expensive light weight tech, not to mention a big price tag.

[BRX]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Ehhh. So BMW is providing what? A hybrid power train? Yea because Toyota doesn't have any experience with hybrids. Maybe the turbo v6 engine? Nope, BMW doesn't have any of those. I'm sure the hybrid idea will make for a light weight car, since that has been the talk. The NSX is 3800lbs and that is with some pretty expensive light weight tech, not to mention a big price tag.

My guess is the Euro market will get the I4 Turbo/hybrid and the bigger I6 Turbo but no V6 due to the higher power and probably higher gas mileage. It will probably compete directly to the Mustang over there as many would go I6 turbo Supra vs a I4 Turbo Mustang.

For the States they will ditch the I6 option and do a V6 twin turbo from Lexus but keep the I4 Turbo hybrid? I guess this follows the LC500 power and hybrid options philosophy they have going on. This is assuming what Dave is saying is 100% true.

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[vh_supra26]

http://www.supramkv.com/threads/its-...-liftback.648/

[Zaku]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

http://www.supramkv.com/threads/its-...-liftback.648/

From Far away it looks likes a camo up Alfa 4c lol

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

That made me laugh, but in all seriousness, the NSX is not the best example of your typical GT car, right? A mid engine exotic, not a front engine, rwd, comfortable and somewhat luxurious touring vehicle.

Just taking the old Supra at 3500lbs then add increased safety standard equipment and chassis rigidity to it, increased electronics and systems for stability controls, increased emission control systems, increased electronics for cameras, monitors and navigation, and increased components if it requires more cooling because of higher power outputs or anything else, I can't imagine it weighing the same.

I haven't driven the M6 or the GTR, but if the m3 then vs the m3 now is several hundred pounds heavier and larger in dimensions then I can only imagine the new Supra would be bigger too than the mkiv. They could downgrade the Supra's attributes from the mkiv like how they did with the 350z from the 300zx, or they could switch the focus from a track enabled grand touring car to a more nimble, lightweight GT car.

I'm not really advocating anything except that I thought it would be odd for the Z4 to look like the M6 convertible and be bloated to the size of the 3 series convertible; that seems odd for a roadster to be so big, and if it is still small then it would be odd for the Supra to be so small.

Just another tid bit. Weight isn't necessarily a bad thing for handling. The GTR does well enough, right? The Camaro ZL1 LTE was faster than the Corvette Z06, right? And it weighs, what, like 400-500lbs more, right?

The BRZ is basically a modern S13. Same size, same weight, 35% more power. All thanks to modern technology. So I'm curious to know why you think that the more expensive Supra Mk5 couldn't adhere pretty close to the same design targets.

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Edit: Just a point on weight, Friction=coefficient of friction tim+es the normal force where the normal force is the weight or mass times the acceleration due to gravity. Maybe more weight means more friction. We all know how a light car can struggle to get traction. Maybe there is something to be said about having weight when aero downforce isn't available.

And no, just NO. More weight is always bad. Maybe more weight, distributed considerably better, than a slightly lighter car is better, but overall more weight is never a desired trait for a sports car. It is the enemy of everything related to stopping, turning and accelerating.