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Yes - I have an aftermarket intake only. 14 9.27%
Yes - I have an aftermarket intake and a tune. 15 9.93%
Yes - I'm all stock. 10 6.62%
No - I have an aftermarket intake only. 43 28.48%
No - I have an aftermarket intake and a tune. 3 1.99%
No - I'm all stock. 66 43.71%
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Old 09-04-2012, 02:08 PM   #155
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it is a very short install..do it, see what happens! You will probably be very happy with it.

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My AIRAID intake should be coming in within the next few days and now I am hesitant to install it over the weekend.

Reading back on the development thread for this intake, there was good consideration on the MAF location. Also, the AFR readings layered the stock intake AFR well also. I would think AIRAID did not experience any of the MAF issues before they went to mass fabrication.

This is really puzzling.

Having said that there is a 30day money back guarantee so its pretty straightforward to go on from there.
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Wasn't making my post in response to your there 2forme just sharing my exp so far with intakes and bogging. After watching the video I can understand why you would be pissed. I wouldn't blame Airaid tho as if this is happening with other intakes as well as apparently to stock cars it sounds like a design flaw or something but i'm no expert. I wish you the best in finding a resolution to the issue tho that loss unbearable to me.
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Old 09-04-2012, 02:22 PM   #157
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David, maybe you didn't understand what MY experience is with YOUR product. You seem to want to assign accountability elsewhere. Let me break this down for you.

1) My car ran perfect prior to YOUR intake. Never had a bog or single issue. Regardless of what tune or mod I threw on.

2) I added YOUR intake while on the e85 tune. Bogging.

3) I swapped back to stock intake on the e85 tune. No Issues.

4) I swapped back to YOUR intake and changed back to the stock tune. Bogging.

5) I swapped to Viscontis 1.02 tune while on YOUR intake. Bogging.

So to recap:

Tune + Stock Intake = Fine
Stock Tune + Stock Intake = Fine
Tune + AIRAID Intake = Problems
Stock Tune + AIRAID Intake = Problems

Do you see a common denominator in that scenario? The problems are there and VERY real. In case you missed my prior post. Here's a recap:

So tell me, is this normal STOCK TUNE behavior that the car should exhibit? Don't tell me where my problems lie. I'm not stupid. And I'm not accepting your offer unless I can get a guarantee from @AJUSA.com that I'll be eligible for a FULL REFUND after you spend a couple weeks shipping, examining, and shipping again....should the problem still be there.

And if you're so sure, explain to me why YOUR BOSS sent Visctoni a free intake to try and fix the problem?
+1 I'm seeing the exact same thing with my Injen intake. I've approached the vendor regarding a refund. We'll see how it goes...
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And if you're so sure, explain to me why YOUR BOSS sent Visctoni a free intake to try and fix the problem?
This is very simple. So Mr. Visconti can Test and write a proper Tune for use with the AIRAID Intake, not to "Fix the Problem".

He also stated he would be testing other Intake's to possibly write tunes for those as well. This is not some big conspiracy, it's actually very normal in the performance world.

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This is very simple. So Mr. Visconti can Test and write a proper Tune for use with the AIRAID Intake, not to "Fix the Problem".

He also stated he would be testing other Intake's to possibly write tunes for those as well. This is not some big conspiracy, it's actually very normal in the performance world.

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Strange - I had a very different conversation with Brian.

The intake was sent to see what the car was doing and why it was doing it.

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Old 09-04-2012, 02:39 PM   #160
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Could it not be your air sensor and the way you are installing it into the Airraid intake is causing the problem?
There is only one way to install it. The mounting only works in one direction. Besides, I've swapped the intakes a few times now. It's been a consistent problem each time. :-/
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It also looks like The Shop is the only tune that doesn't alleviate the dip.

The bog isn't related to the tune, it's related to the intake. I get the same bog with a stock tune.

Dip is not an issue, will be taken care of soon according to Jimmy. If the tune is not the issue why is he not experiencing any bogs on the multiple FT86's they have tuned? Bog was there before the tune, wasn't after.

A step at a time guys, the cars are only a few months old. With a dual injection setup, unfortunately almost all mods are going to be beneficial with a correct tune. The days of just slapping parts on are over in my opinion.
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Dip is not an issue, will be taken care of soon according to Jimmy. .
@Visconti has already gotten rid of 90% of the dip. You should talk to him about how to fix it . Dude knows his stuff....
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+1 I'm seeing the exact same thing with my Injen intake. I've approached the vendor regarding a refund. We'll see how it goes...
I hope it doesn't come to that. I'm fairly sure that between John and Injen/AIRAID solutions can be found.
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+1 I'm seeing the exact same thing with my Injen intake. I've approached the vendor regarding a refund. We'll see how it goes...
Do you have a tune or no?
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This is very simple. So Mr. Visconti can Test and write a proper Tune for use with the AIRAID Intake, not to "Fix the Problem".
If there isn't a problem, why is a "proper" tune needed?
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If there isn't a problem, why is a "proper" tune needed?

Simply: to maximize power output.

There are 30 trouble free users for every 1 user that says there is a bogging issue. Its not a common occurrence. We are working to find a solution, but its not the Airaid product specifically causing the issue.

If you look at the poll results (which do not represent every intake on the market) youll see there are more people experiencing bogging who are stock then those with an intake.
So based on those poll results, you could say the intake fixes the problem - we know this is not the case, but lets quit with the finger pointing and accusations instead lets all work to find a solution for the few of us who have run into less than favorable drive-ability.
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@Visconti has already gotten rid of 90% of the dip. You should talk to him about how to fix it . Dude knows his stuff....
100% of the dip is a better end result correct? It will be taken care of.
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Simply: to maximize power output.

There are 30 trouble free users for every 1 user that says there is a bogging issue. Its not a common occurrence. We are working to find a solution, but its not the Airaid product specifically causing the issue.

If you look at the poll results (which do not represent every intake on the market) youll see there are more people experiencing bogging who are stock then those with an intake.
So based on those poll results, you could say the intake fixes the problem - we know this is not the case, but lets quit with the finger pointing and accusations instead lets all work to find a solution for the few of us who have run into less than favorable drive-ability.
Thanks for the info. Is there a thread about the bogging issue with all stock setup? This is the first I've heard of that. Guess I have some work to do...
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