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View Poll Results: Which of the following options have you decided upon for this much discussed Gen1 201
No torque dip specific modifications: It doesn't bother me. 67 25.38%
No torque dip specific modifications: I don't want any potential future warranty issues due to mods. 26 9.85%
OFT tune 28 10.61%
UEL Header (Which one?) 14 5.30%
UEL header + OFT tune 100 37.88%
Something else: Please specify. 19 7.20%
Wait for the performance results of the 2017 model before deciding. 10 3.79%
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Old 03-14-2017, 01:41 PM   #127
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really? why is that? I looked up this thread and it seems to have decent numbers?http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96235
If you do that (gut the cats) just don't bring that smog belching machine up here to Washington.

Why? Because we have border patrol smog sniffing dogs, that just love to mark (pee on) the tires of California cars that have their smog features disabled. Then, you have two choices, either turn that POS around and head back down south, OR pull into Bubba's Catalytic Converter Sales and Service shop and have new cats installed ....... at a PRICE ...... iffen ya get ma drift ......price () .......


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To be honest the first thing i feel after getting the car tuned is ....boring.
I need to get the car tune again for more topend...


What tune do you have? A proper stage 1 93oct tune should give gains after the torque dip.
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Old 06-13-2017, 02:10 PM   #129
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Which of the following options have you decided upon for this much discussed Gen1 2013-2016 topic:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/searc...rchid=12653956

1. No torque dip specific modifications: It doesn't bother me.
2. No torque dip specific modifications: I don't want any potential future warranty issues due to mods.
3. OFT tune
4. UEL Header
5. UEL header + OFT tune
6. Something else: Please specify.
7. Wait for the performance results of the 2017 model before deciding.

Thanks!

Edit: Link above was for an advanced search for "torque dip", search titles only, show results as threads, search in all open forums.
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If you're worried about the torque dip, get the FT86SF catted header. It fills in the torque dip better than my old catless UEL header did and makes a nice difference in street driving. Not that it's hard to downshift, but with this header as long as I'm above 3000 RPM I can usually forego the downshift.

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I drove a VW 2.0T BPY for almost 7 years and even with a flat torque curve from 1800rpm, everytime I went flat out there was just nothing left after 5000rpm and the feeling sucks donkey ballz. This is one of the main reason I went back to driving a Japanese sports compact as it makes you really work for it. I call this delay gratification.
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I currently have an 08 MK2 TT BPY! Something was wrong with your car Acceleration stock it never feels like it goes flat after 5k unless it's 100 degrees outside and the car is heat soaked.
I dunno, I'm with @krayzie. I've got a stock 2011 GTI and I can definitely feel the acceleration taper off above 5000 RPM. It's especially apparent going uphill. You can see it in the stock dyno chart as well. The torque curve drops over 40 lbs-ft starting at 5000 RPM.

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Old 06-13-2017, 02:13 PM   #130
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If you're worried about the torque dip, get the FT86SF catted header. It fills in the torque dip better than my old catless UEL header did and makes a nice difference in street driving. Not that it's hard to downshift, but with this header as long as I'm above 3000 RPM I can usually forego the downshift.





I dunno, I'm with @krayzie. I've got a stock 2011 GTI and I can definitely feel the acceleration taper off above 5000 RPM. It's especially apparent going uphill. You can see it in the stock dyno chart as well. The torque curve drops over 40 lbs-ft starting at 5000 RPM.

Oh crap! I would not enjoy that at all! Where we start to "dip" that just flat gives up and never comes back.
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Old 06-13-2017, 02:26 PM   #131
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Oh crap! I would not enjoy that at all! Where we start to "dip" that just flat gives up and never comes back.
Haha yeah it takes some getting used to if you're coming from a high revving NA engine. It's actually not too bad on the street since there's loads of midrange torque. I'm almost never above 5000 RPM (and never really need to be).

It's different from the FR-S where you almost have to wind it out sometimes. But that's the fun of driving it right?
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Old 06-13-2017, 02:31 PM   #132
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Oh crap! I would not enjoy that at all! Where we start to "dip" that just flat gives up and never comes back.
Part of the reason I didn't like the WRX as much.
Sure, it's making more torque but the way it drops instead of builds is disappointing when driving it.
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Old 06-13-2017, 03:04 PM   #133
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I don't have torque dip after the boost but I wasn't complaining when I had it. The car has a different power/torque band now and it needs to be driven differently just like the stock engine needed its specific driving style with the torque dip. So, torque dip was not a big issue for me and its elimination is not the most significant advantage of boost. I have chosen JRSC, to keep the rev-happy nature of the sports car driving. If you agree, torque dip is not a big problem anyway.
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still don't see the point in worrying about this on a car that is driven on the street. Unless we all get lucky and the epa and carb are both completely closed, someone is going to end up being the first unlucky victim of the nanny state morons going after all these people that alter their cats. It is only a matter of time, because any alteration of any functional cats is illegal.
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Torque-dip ruined my life. My wife left me, my kids hate me and my friends stopped calling. They couldn't bare to be around anyone that would leave their FRS in stock form and do nothing to address torque dip.
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I dunno, I'm with @krayzie. I've got a stock 2011 GTI and I can definitely feel the acceleration taper off above 5000 RPM. It's especially apparent going uphill. You can see it in the stock dyno chart as well. The torque curve drops over 40 lbs-ft starting at 5000 RPM.
And the engine in your GTI is the chain driven EA888, while mine was the belt driven EA113. It's just the way VW wanted the powerband to cover the low and mid-range which is great for city driving, just not when you wind it up all the way.
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And the engine in your GTI is the chain driven EA888, while mine was the belt driven EA113. It's just the way VW wanted the powerband to cover the low and mid-range which is great for city driving, just not when you wind it up all the way.


Some months ago I had the chance to drive a similar engine of the VW group. I had the same feeling, very good at the low-mid revs range and gutless on higher revs.
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After an EZ30-powered Impreza and a 4.2L RS4... The torque dip was super noticeable. OFT OTS to the rescue, but some kind of FI is planned (either that or I'll give up and go EZ30 again)
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I've got a stock 2011 GTI and I can definitely feel the acceleration taper off above 5000 RPM. It's especially apparent going uphill. You can see it in the stock dyno chart as well. The torque curve drops over 40 lbs-ft starting at 5000 RPM.

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My previous car was a 02 Audi A4 with the 1.8t motor and I can tell you that with it and any car that comes turbocharged from the factory that isn't a dedicated sports car (IE- 911 Turbo, GT-R, etc) The torque and power will always die off at the top.

Car manufacturers use the smallest turbo possible to minimize spool time and give it a nice punchy low to mid torque so the average consumer is like "OH MY CAR IS FASTTTTTT" When in reality it is not.

The pull all the way to redline is one of my favorite thing about my FRS. It is so much more exciting than a mid range torque shove.
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