Time to build a motor, what options have others found?

[wsites]

Originally Posted by Cross

You have no idea what your talking about for the vehicle I gave you an example of, but enough if you can't find out with the information given its because you don't want to. Hints there is nothing more to discuss.

Well at least we can agree to disagree. I hope your build turns out how you want it to.

[Cross]

Originally Posted by wsites

Perhaps it is just me, but I wouldn't pay more for a car that has been tampered with by god only knows who... Perhaps I just care more about vehicle reliability and how I spend my money than you do... Sorry if that comes off as an opinion, but I'm sure it is one that is widely held.

As is the one that's widely held that a Swapped FD RX7 is 100 times more reliable than a Rotary one and the car values prove it but hey don't let the facts get in the way of your opinion here.

[Jaden]

I got this thread confused with another on the 21K quoted thing. I thought that was an outrageous price for a swap...

I;m a very budget minded person... If you already have the LS, go for the swap if you're doing it yourself or have some people that can do it for a reasonable price.

Again, I asked what your intentions with the car are.

considering you're only adding a couple hundred lbs that's possible to remove from other places (possibly, I haven't devled too deeply into that) This would be a great reliable car with tons of torque and lots of power.

a 2900 lb car with 400 hp you're still looking at smoking a GTR in the quarter. You'll be in the low 11's if you can get it to the ground well.

I wish you luck sir...

Jaden

[C130NAV]

Originally Posted by Jaden

There's no way in hell, you're fitting a twin turbo LS in the bay of an toyobaru...

That was my main point. You're limited in what total output you can get from the LS. Sure you can throw some nitrous at, a HELL of a lot more than you can at a stock block frs, but I think the differences will be marginal at best for total you can expect to get out of it without the ability to fit a turbo or supercharger without going twin screw and custom hooding it.

Maybe you could get a small twin screw that will fit under the hood, but I doubt it.

Jaden

http://localfrs.com/daiyoshihara-s-n...ra-falkentire/

http://image.superstreetonline.com/f...-illest-21.jpg

Think before you speak. I however am paying 21k but I dont have an engine so the breakdown is this 8k gor engine and tranny, 8k for the kit which eveything including cooling and a/c. 5k for the labor which included WGP coming to my house to pick it up. I got the money and want to be different atleast for now. If I wanted to live on a budget I would have stayed with my civic :-)

[Cross]

Originally Posted by wsites

Well at least we can agree to disagree. I hope your build turns out how you want it to.

Thanks as I have said before I had not decided I have an offer from an engineering buddy to make the swap mount pieces for me to settle for me helping him over the years. I also already have a modified LS making over 400 at the crank so it would be fun.... but I did not dislike the FA20 just the fact that there is a problem I may encounter again which would leave me right back in the same position having wasted money.

There has been a claim of a fix to the problem so I am looking into it and FA motors again and just selling the LS along with the RX7 I was selling. But I at this point have only sold the motor with issues to a local so he can build it (For those wanting to know I sold it for 350 as a complete motor).

The car is with my friend but he has not started yet as he has other projects in front of it (He does a lot of custom turbo builds) so this really is as I said the time to decide if I will or not. However I have no reason to believe the car will be worse off with an LS vs an FA. I was worried about the axles though... and the diff haven't seen a lot of information on the results of those seeing more trq and hp constantly. (Well the Axles I do believe have been shown to be questionable above 350)

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by wsites

Perhaps it is just me, but I wouldn't pay more for a car that has been tampered with by god only knows who... Perhaps I just care more about vehicle reliability and how I spend my money than you do... Sorry if that comes off as an opinion, but I'm sure it is one that is widely held.

we never know what others have done with cars and whether they've done things right or not. That's why we build our own cars and why people who want cars built pay a premium to reputable builders to build them for them.

Lots of people have more money than sense though and they will pay more for a car that's already done without wanting to pay the premium that reputable shops charge...

Jaden

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by C130NAV

http://localfrs.com/daiyoshihara-s-n...ra-falkentire/

http://image.superstreetonline.com/f...-illest-21.jpg

Think before you speak

I always think before I speak... They did an excellent job of shoehorning that bitch in there....I stand corrected...

Jaden

[Cross]

Originally Posted by Jaden

I got this thread confused with another on the 21K quoted thing. I thought that was an outrageous price for a swap...

I;m a very budget minded person... If you already have the LS, go for the swap if you're doing it yourself or have some people that can do it for a reasonable price.

Again, I asked what your intentions with the car are.

considering you're only adding a couple hundred lbs that's possible to remove from other places (possibly, I haven't devled too deeply into that) This would be a great reliable car with tons of torque and lots of power.

a 2900 lb car with 400 hp you're still looking at smoking a GTR in the quarter. You'll be in the low 11's if you can get it to the ground well.

I wish you luck sir...

Jaden

The FRS is another toy just the DD toy, I enjoy everything in it I do with my Vette it was the replacement for my S2000. (That was one of my favorite cars along with an M3 I owned years before) It does Drag, Street and Auto Cross all when I feel like it no set duty just an enjoyable car just like my others. The Camaro that was mainly bought for my wife is the closest to a purpose vehicle as Street and Drag but I will set it up for whatever she wants to be honest.

While Budget is a big thing so is reliably and safely which is what I build everything around now... mainly because I am getting tired of taking things apart... but then I am getting older according to everyone.
The FRS was built to be fun but Safe I did most everything I found to make it stronger and safer before boosting it and when I did it was only on E85 and Mike at Moto-East knew I wanted it tuned with those thoughts in mind. The car experienced a failure caused by a design issue that has a TSB for it. For me this means I question the FA on if I can trust it, I want to trust it but I am not sure.

I know I can trust an LS, I know exactly what to expect from it too, plus I have one sitting here with an offer that's hard to pass up (as WGP sells just the mount swap kit for over 3 grand thats over 3 grand of free stuff being offered to me which adds to the hard to pass up portion) but I have to sell everything and start a long build that could be more of a pain in the ass... but in the same light if the FA20 has the same problem... yay for wasting money.

Either way that should answer those questions. Thanks for the luck right now I could use it towards knowing if I could trust an FA20.

[Jaden]

now you've got me thinking of doing an LS swap....
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Jaden

[Jaden]

Even in cali you can do a swap. that's one thing I like about them.

It's also the EASIEST way to get more power and torque.

I like the idea of making a 2liter engine make 400 hp though.

I don't like messing with DI mixed with rail based fuel injection. those are the down sides of the FA20.

I'm working on a direct to crank power adder using a special type of turbine that should be able to do that. If it works the way it should, It will aid in the reciprocation of the engine and allow higher rpms safely along with adding about 90% additional hp (yes, you read that right). I think a supercharged fa20 is a good candidate for this project which is why I don't think I'll do that engine swap.

I may start building a different engine to drop in in case this one takes a dump once I start experimenting on it, but I understand in your circumstance why you would choose to do the LS swap.

Yeah I got totally confused with the 21K thing. I don't know how I got those confused oh well...

I look forward to seeing the end result.

I come to AZ from time to time for pool tourneys so maybe I can see the final result when it's done in person...

Jaden

[C130NAV]

I love when things get heated and we all hug in the end. :-p

[Cross]

Originally Posted by Jaden

Even in cali you can do a swap. that's one thing I like about them.

It's also the EASIEST way to get more power and torque.

I like the idea of making a 2liter engine make 400 hp though.

I don't like messing with DI mixed with rail based fuel injection. those are the down sides of the FA20.

I'm working on a direct to crank power adder using a special type of turbine that should be able to do that. If it works the way it should, It will aid in the reciprocation of the engine and allow higher rpms safely along with adding about 90% additional hp (yes, you read that right). I think a supercharged fa20 is a good candidate for this project which is why I don't think I'll do that engine swap.

I may start building a different engine to drop in in case this one takes a dump once I start experimenting on it, but I understand in your circumstance why you would choose to do the LS swap.

Yeah I got totally confused with the 21K thing. I don't know how I got those confused oh well...

I look forward to seeing the end result.

I come to AZ from time to time for pool tourneys so maybe I can see the final result when it's done in person...

Jaden

Let us know when you come down the AZ86 group is a friendly group I am the harshest of them Tucson or Phoenix we are always happy to meet another enthusiast.

We shall see what happens I am still not sure yet I am always over thinking things.

[Cross]

Originally Posted by C130NAV

I love when things get heated and we all hug in the end. :-p

YAYA HUGZ!!!

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by Cross

Let us know when you come down the AZ86 group is a friendly group I am the harshest of them Tucson or Phoenix we are always happy to meet another enthusiast.

We shall see what happens I am still not sure yet I am always over thinking things.

yeah when I come it's usually to phoenix.

They hold the arizona state one pocket championships at Kolby's...

They also may be having a west coast tour event there as well. I'll have to check the schedule.

Jaden