Vacci-Nation [CLOSED DUE TO DISRESPECTFUL, INSULTING, POLITICAL POSTS

[Atmo]

Originally Posted by Capt Spaulding

If the powers that be have a monopoly on violence and are willing to use it to maintain a regressive hegemony, is progress possible. It's even more difficult when they are able to summon the weak minded and easily deluded to do their dirty work. So, in cases like this, is violence in the name of progress acceptable?

I see a mirror image of that in the biggest city in my state, Portland, over the past year where Antifa burned, looted and murdered innocents on the streets downtown in the name of progress. It looks to me like Antifa is using the Marcuse template nationwide and they believe violence is acceptable if you call it mostly peaceful protesting.

[Capt Spaulding]

Originally Posted by MuseChaser

I believe that the value of a human life has nothing to do with the color of one's skin.
I stand in 100% support of Dr. Martin Luther King's desire to one day have all people judged by the content of their character and not the color of their skin.
I believe that the color of one's skin has nothing to do with how one decides to conduct one's self.

Now... two questions.

1. How can anyone disagree with any of those three statements, and not be racist?

2. How can Critical Race theory, which clearly argues against at least two of those three statements, be anything BUT racist?

And ... a few more bonus questions..

3. How, in a supposedly racist country, did a black person become president of our country and arguably the "leader of the free world?" Keep in mind that black people account for approximately 13% of the American population.

4. How, in a supposedly racist country, do we have so many members of virtually every minority demographic represented in every "high-level" profession... doctors, lawyers, engineers, CEOs, LEOs, elected officials at every level of government, professors....?

We are rapidly DEVOLVING into a racist country, I will grant you, but it's because we are being taught to see race, and not see individuals. I grew up in the 60s and 70s, and can 100% affirm that we were taught history. Slavery was NOT glossed over in any way, shape, or form, nor were civil rights movements, terrible tragedies, injustices, presidents who owned slaves, bad traits of people who still did great things, the plight of Native Americans as Europeans gradually made North America their new home. We were taught to see flawed individuals struggling to make great discoveries, enduring tremendous hardships and, yes, creating tremendous hardships for others in the process.

The idea that these things were NOT taught is completely fallacious. It is also completely fallacious to state that the 1619 project and CRT are even close to objective, factual approaches to history and the founding of our nation. One of the oft-stated goals of CRT is to "disrupt whiteness." How, in any way, shape, or form, is that not a racist goal? Is it equally welcome to suggest that "disrupting blackness" would also be an admirable goal to us becoming unified? Of course not.

There will always be a handful of racist individuals. There always have been, and there always will be. A handful of ignorant individuals does NOT mean that a nation is racist. We are NOT a racist nation and systemic racism is a myth created to further divide us. There are plenty of prominent as well as "average" black men and women who agree with that statement, and plenty of black men and women who are insulted by the idea that people in our government think that they are unable or incapable of getting identification to vote.

It is amazing to me that we have come SO far since slavery, then segregation, then the late 1950s/early 60s, to a place where we all were truly living in Dr. King's America, only to have all of that progress wiped out in a matter of years by powers that seek to divide us for their own benefit.

I could write about this FOREVER, but I know I can't undo in twenty paragraphs what the media and academia has done to our younger generations in a matter of years. Also, there's really no way to avoid politics and yes, religion, in the discussion. Of course, that forum rule seems to be fairly flexible depending upon viewpoint being expressed.

The question/statements you lead off with have a bit if self congratulatory ring to them. Beyond that, they are very much of "When did you stop beating your wife?" sort.

Of course, very few will disagree with the first three. But, assume for the moment that the economic game has been rigged for over a century. Assume further that you (and I) are the unwitting beneficiaries of the rules of that game. Is it enough to say "I never owned slaves and my family never owned slaves so I bear no responsibility for the current plight of people of color" and wash your hands of it? Is it OK that if you were black you would stand a 400% greater chance of being killed in an encounter with the police? Because, come on, even Lantana knows there are loads benefits to being white. So what should you do?

"Depending on viewpoint being expressed"? You're starting to sound like "impureclient" and el piloto.

[Capt Spaulding]

Originally Posted by Atmo

I see a mirror image of that in the biggest city in my state, Portland, over the past year where Antifa burned, looted and murdered innocents on the streets downtown in the name of progress. It looks to me like Antifa is using the Marcuse template nationwide and they believe violence is acceptable if you call it mostly peaceful protesting.

Really? So you agree that to powers that be have used coercive violence to maintain a regressive hegemony? That they have summoned gangs of weak minded thugs to do their dirty work? Connect the dots. What is in the mirror? Where are Marcuse finger prints? How many murders? You guys' goto refrain is Antifa this Antifa that. Do you have another? Do you know what and who Antifa is?

What is your opinion of conducting an armed assault on the nation's capitol? Or was it just a misunderstanding with a group of peaceful tourists.

[weederr33]

WTF is going on here?

[Lantanafrs2]

They got bored with vax hype

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

They got bored with vax hype

I hate to agree with you, but sounds like it.

[Capt Spaulding]

Originally Posted by weederr33

I hate to agree with you, but sounds like it.

It’s a tortured path.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by Capt Spaulding

It’s a tortured path.

Clearly. But it's something we need to drop though and keep it on topic.

[Atmo]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

They got bored with vax hype

Well, the Portland Antifa riots became Super spreader events if that counts.

[Atmo]

Originally Posted by Capt Spaulding

What is your opinion of conducting an armed assault on the nation's capitol? Or was it just a misunderstanding with a group of peaceful tourists.

The only armed (assuming you mean gun) individuals I'm aware of involved in the Jan. 6th riot was a Capitol Cop who shot an unarmed female dead. Was anyone arrested carrying a gun?

[Atmo]

Originally Posted by MuseChaser

Some of my most cherished possessions are heartfelt thank you letters from some of my hard-case kids after they graduated.

That took me back to the group of illiterate high school kids I tutored. They were ostracized and ignored by their peers. After they learned to read I couldn't keep books out of their hands so did a field trip to the public library and got them all cards.

At year end there was a parent teacher graduation celebration and one couple approached to thank me for helping their son when everyone else throughout the years considered him a lost cause. I think of them and their son every now and then and realize that they were the ones who taught me so many valuable life lessons.

[Capt Spaulding]

Originally Posted by weederr33

Clearly. But it's something we need to drop though and keep it on topic.

OK. Let's talk Phil Valentine. Does an apparently committed antivax "celebrity" get a pass because he is now in critical condition with Covid, is claiming he was never anti-vax and is urging people (his listeners) to get the poke?

[cjd]

Originally Posted by Capt Spaulding

OK. Let's talk Phil Valentine. Does an apparently committed antivax "celebrity" get a pass because he is now in critical condition with Covid, is claiming he was never anti-vax and is urging people (his listeners) to get the poke?

Hmm. Does penance at the gates of hell count? Does it matter if it actually helps fix shit?
I don't know what the pass is for. Being a good human? Probably not. But that's making assumptions based on an isolated thing. I have no clue who this guy is or what else he's about.

[Capt Spaulding]

Originally Posted by Atmo

The only armed (assuming you mean gun) individuals I'm aware of involved in the Jan. 6th riot was a Capitol Cop who shot an unarmed female dead. Was anyone arrested carrying a gun?

Not limited to guns. (and no, I'm not going to make cute plays on words over your use of "assuming.")