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Even if not everyone uses every feature, a brands premium sports car should absolutely have functional ducting. It should be designed for some downforce, etc. Because many will use a brand's premium sports car for track use and if it's not basically track ready then it's a failure as a brand's premium sports car. If this were a Lexus SC coupe, no one would care about these things. But it's not, it's supposed to be a Supra. Of course prior Supras were more GT cars, it just seems like they tried for a bit more sports car this time. Eh I should just ignore this thread like I'll ignore this car lol
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My guess is that if you haven't had the issues yet you never will.
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Eh my dealer loved doing warranty work. Outside of the transmission I didn't complain about any of those issues.
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I do not put a whole lot of stock in the Consumer Reports reliability survey. The reason for that is that they are polling their readers and owners about their opinions about the car. The vast majority of those people are very unlike people who visit forums such as ours.
I may be mistaken but I believe when WE talk about reliability we are usually talking about engines, transmissions, engine management systems and suspension. The average reader of Consumer Reports is most likely concerned with the car starting and then things like lights, heater controls, air conditioning, heated seats, Apple Car Play, Bluetooth, connectivity and the sound system. Because all these things are lumped into the manufacturers ratings, it dilutes what is most important to a car enthusiast or a "Gearhead". I have used CR to research used cars before buying in the past. When I did I focused on the engine/drive train and chassis information. Gadgets are usually easy albeit, expensive, to replace but they do not leave you stranded on the side of the road or cause you to fail emissions compliance. My bias against German engineered cars is well rooted in my long years of experience dealing with them as both an owner, mechanic and being the family "go to guy" whenever someone is having car problems. Could they have improved over the last 10 years? I certainly hope so! However, I am one of those guys that when you wrong me, it takes a long, long time to regain my trust. Those German car engineers wronged me and there are probably not enough years left in my life for them to win me back. And like Dave said, that whole business with the location of the timing chain of the B58 seems to indicate that they still have not learned all the lessons they should. Believe it or not, I really do hope the Supra is a roaring success and those that can afford it have nothing but an awesome experience with it. Despite a few misgivings about it, I do think it is an exciting car.
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Is it a performance car where customers care about racing performance and by default would want functional venting/ducting/aero? In that case the customers are being cheated and Toyota doesn't understand its market very well. Either way you should look at that Jalopnik article. It clearly shows that only the front bumper intakes could be made functional. All the other vents just lead to dead ends/flat surfaces. Tada-san was just making stuff up to justify cool "looking" non functional vents. He knows if he said anything else it would look really bad in the media. |
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@ichitaka05 and @RayRay88, for what it's worth I think you're closer than you think.
Ichitaka05 I pretty much agree with you on things like brake ducts and other aero features. For day-to-day driving if they exist and functional, they can be a pain and cause more damage than problems they solve. What would be nice is if they had built-in ways of shutting them. I mean they do it with every air vent in the car, why not the ones on the outside? Then you have the option of opening/closing them based on need and retain the look. RayRay88 I think you are saying if they aren't going to be functional why be there at all. I also agree with that, to an extent. Although occasionally its nice to have them just to provide some sense of style. There are lots of things that don't necessarily add to the functionality of a car but are there for style reasons though. Tesla is a good example of that. Their flush door handles add mechanical complexity that isn't needed but are cool. The front of the Model 3 is awful to me. It could stand with some fake aero or something to improve the design.
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Both of these things are the way they are as they reduce drag and in an electric vehicle that extends range.
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There are lots of cars that just as efficient a front end with no to minimum openings that don't look like they were designed with a radiator opening that has been blocked up. I'm guessing the Model S is just as efficient but they designed it with enough front end "character" that it's a good looking car. The 3 looks like it was run into a brick wall at 5MPH and not repaired.
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