07-20-2019, 07:02 AM | #435 | |
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Stage 1 cams are one better than Stage 0 cams but one less than Stage 2 cams. Here is a pic of 2 Stage cams.
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Apparently there were plans to do it 10 years ago and then the Great Recession hit. There was also someone over on the VW Vortex who apparently used to work down the hall from Juechter. He stated that the cost of the program is a small incremental over the C7 (and about the same as the cost of going from C6 to C7), so it should be profitable.
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Does anyone else think it's funny that, on a forum where we have specifically chosen cars with lower performance/price ratios than quite a few others in the market, we are looking at a price/performance ratio and judging a car based on that?
I mean it looks great and probably sounds great, and it's fast AF, but I highly doubt it will be any more fun than a twin bombing down back roads. That being said.... Oh boy do I want one badly. |
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07-20-2019, 12:00 PM | #439 |
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This is the first GM car I have ever had any interest in.
The C7 is actually a great performance bargain, but I just had no desire for one. Corvettes to me were just retirement presents for old guys in hawaiian shirts who like to drive slow in the left lane. This could be different. A grand sport version could push me to buy. That interior is a mess though. |
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I wouldn't say the 86 is low on performance per dollar spent. It isn't the most powerful in a straight line, but it can hold its own in performance to cars that are much more expensive. Moreover, there is the intangibles like how it makes a person feel or how it behaves that increase its value. The 86 is also affordable, but many will eventually graduate from the 86 to more expensive cars as their incomes grow, so it isn't an odd thing to speculate on more expensive cars. We also have guys here who have moved from Lotus' or Cayman's to the 86 because it is a cheaper track car or because they can get better performance for an equal investment after tuning/modifications, so cross shopping talk may seem odd or out of place, but it isn't.
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Base motor has a dry sump Base chassis coil overs Rims/tires same a C7 Z51 Z51 adds: (If I'm reading it correctly) Performance suspension with manually adjustable threaded spring seats. PS4 performance tires Larger brake rotors with Z51 logo on calipers. Enhanced cooling. Electronic LSD, Specific axle ratio. Front brake cooling inlets. Performance exhaust. Z51 Specific splitter and spoiler Brake Type: Front and rear E-boost-assisted discs with Brembo four-piston/two-piece front calipers and four-piston/monobloc rear calipers With Z51 – Front and rear E-boost-assisted discs with Brembo four-piston monobloc caliper at front and rear I'm a bit at a loss as to what the Z51 package adds to get it to sub 3 seconds in 0-60 less maybe the axle ratio and performance exhaust. I would think base should be close. There's a big difference in bundled packages 1LT, 2LT and 3LT, with 3LT having a lot of expensive fluff. Nice to have but doesn't do a lot for performance. I'd like to get pricing on a base model, 1LT with Z51. If money wasn't an object,,, 3LT for the seats and color choices. lots of $$$ though 1LT (Base) 8-Way Power GT1 Seats GT1 Seats – Mulan Leather Keyless Access with Push-Button Start Driver Mode Selector and Valet Mode Dual-Zone Electronic Climate Control Locking Glove Box HD Rear Vision Camera and Rear Park Assist† Leather-Wrapped Flat-Bottom Steering Wheel Bose 10-speaker Audio System SiriusXM Satellite Radio®† for Three Months 8-inch Diagonal Color touch-screen Chevrolet Infotainment 3 System† 12-inch Color Driver Information Center Bluetooth® Phone Connection† and Phone Projection Steering Wheel-Mounted Controls Power Windows Express-Up/-Down Visors with Illuminated Vanity Mirrors Power Tilt/Telescoping Steering Wheel Cabin Air Filtration 2LT Head-Up Display Power Lumbar and Wing Adjustment Wireless Phone Charging† Heated and Vented Seats Heated Steering Wheel Bose Performance Series 14-Speaker Audio System Navigation with Traffic† Performance Data Recorder SiriusXM satellite Radio®† with 1-year Subscription Universal Home Remote Sun Visor Power-Folding Mirrors Rear Camera Mirror† – Coupe Memory Package Curb View Camera† Side Blind Zone Alert† Rear Cross Traffic Alert† Advanced Theft-Deterrent System Parcel Nets 3LT GT2 Seats with Napa Leather and Carbon-Fiber Trim Custom Leather-Wrapped Interior Suede-Wrapped Upper Interior Trim Leather-Wrapped Lower Doors
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I'd say its the opposite. The 86 and the C8 are some the best bargain sports cars you can buy. They just aren't direct competitors. I chose an 86 over a Cayman for the exact same reasons that I would choose a C8 over a Ferrari. |
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This is a long term strategy, most likely as a combination of factory production capability + available partners on the marketplace willing to help produce a new car with tangible benefits for all parties. If Toyota can learn a lesson from this, it's this: the last time they produced a dedicated sports car in-house, it ended up eating away a large chunk of their profits. They have learned from it and really there's no need for a dedicated production line just to make a sports car that won't be anywhere close to GM in terms of volume. Plus, plenty of contract manufacturers available out there to help: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Steyr For the average person like you and me, GM seems to win this in every way possible. For the corporate executives at Toyota, the way the Supra was put into production is about as perfect as they can get it, given the current global political and economical climate. |
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I would never own the Supra. I’ve worked on BMWs, I’ve driven BMWs. Not for me, in any way. Seriously looking at selling off the bikes and BRZ, waiting for the first old man to trade a C8 back in with 800 miles. Hopefully the dealers don’t throw some wheels and tint on them to sell as a “limited edition” with a $30k markup. Or just wait till the z06 comes out and stingray price falls off. Excited to see where these go. |
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Of course, but the same thing applies to GM.
I was mostly referring to this as a purely economics driven decision from a production cost perspective. GM has existing capability to make this car + the target audience would not accept anything else. Toyota did not want to take on the cost of developing a new production line to make this car and chose an existing car manufacturer to assist with 3rd party production. |
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