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03-14-2020, 08:38 PM | #29 | |
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BMW already offers a manual transmission on the base model 4cyl Z4 in Europe which is why many people were hoping Toyota would do the same when they announced the 4cyl Supra would be coming to the States. Granted, BMW only offers the manual with the lower powered 195hp 4cylinder and not the 255hp tuned engine (which seems to be the one the US supra will get) and maybe that's why Toyota didn't do it. But who knows it's all speculation at this point
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If Toyota pulled out don't you think Subaru would instantly kill off its only non 4 wheel drive car in its line up? |
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You can sell all that stuff. If the manufacturer did it you would need to pay double. |
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A perfect example is the Subaru STI S209. All trick parts from the factory and it’s 64k, which is absurd for that car. I would build a 22b custom for way less and perform better. What you want would cost so much you would be buying others cars in that price range. I always felt that the aftermarket usually provides what’s needed or wanted. Sure you pay more but it’s over time, you can sell Oem parts and for most of us it’s fun to do the mods and see the improvements. |
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Given that Toyota will have three models of Supra in a wide performance and price range, they might just need another Celica or MR2 as the next 86. Joint production of 86/BRZ looks like a conflict of interest to me. |
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If you drop the Toyota units out, Subaru would either have to build/sell more BRZs (unlikely) or they would have to retool the factory to build more than one car (also seems unlikely) or reduce the number of cars coming out of the factory, which probably doesn't make sense either.
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MR2 is a silly pipedream that doesn't work in this day and age of the automotive world. yes, let's add more complexity and development costs for a cheap sports car fine just the way it is. if you really want a MR sports car, go get an elise... |
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Edit: But Supra is more expensive and sells better. If they make an upscaled turbo BRZ, it might sell more than current BRZ. They could use all of that capacity for just Subaru. Last edited by mrg666; 04-03-2020 at 12:38 PM. |
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I fail to see why a MR layout alone would be anymore complex than a FF.
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drivetrain sure, but the separate platform, chassis, development costs and tooling wise it doesn't make sense for a cheap sports car.. |
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If the BRZ gets too pricey, the WRX or STI come into play. Sure they are not the same but the practicality could win in that price range.
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I can very well see that price being only slightly above the Veloster N. If it was going to be more expensive than let's say 40k USD, I'd bet it would be under the Genesis branding and not Hyundai.
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Supra is in it's honeymoon, early sales days. It won't be selling this many when it's 8 years old if there have been no changes. It may not even sell as many as the 86 is now, at that point.
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